Author: Dave Cawley

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I do need to be treated well. That’s probably one of the most important considerations in relationships.

Dave Cawley: Josh Powell’s recorded audio journals are one of the most unique and bizarre aspects of the Susan Powell case. When discovered by police, they provided nothing in the way of evidence. But they say so much about who Josh was and how he thought.

This is a bonus episode of Cold: Anatomy of an Audio Journal. I’m Dave Cawley, and I’m speaking with Dr. Matt Woolley, a clinical psychologist based in Salt Lake City, Utah. At my request, Matt reviewed one of Josh’s audio journals from December, 2000. Now, we’re going to talk about it.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Susan has been really sweet to me. It’s been overall a really good relationship and in, in many ways, possibly the best relationship overall I’ve been in.

Dave Cawley: You and I are in a small group of people who’ve actually had the chance to listen to one of these Josh Powell audio journals in whole.

Matt Woolley: Yeah. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: What was that experience like for you?

Matt Woolley: Umm, kind of a mix of, of very interesting and tedious. Right? Because he does spend a lot of time just cataloging and kind of talking about the mundane aspects of his day and what he’s doing. The one we shared, the one I listened to, y’know, he talks about moving in to his apartment and then he describes the various things in his apartment.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): That apartment, 11016 Waller Road East, apartment F304, is a very comfortable apartment. It’s, it’s big enough to have parties with a lot of people, to eat comfortably, to watch movies comfortably. And I’ve been thinking lately that that apartment might be sufficient to start off a marriage in, if I were to get married.

Matt Woolley: He says some interesting things. Even how he says those things are interesting perhaps to a trained listener like a psychologist because it reflects certain aspects of his personality. But as far as them being full of juicy details, it’s just, y’know, he’s excited that he has a complete DVD collection of Disney and, y’know, the, the, the d—, the, the, the reasons behind why he’s talking about those things may be more interesting but I have to admit, it got a little tedious at times—

Dave Cawley: Here’s a bit—

Matt Woolley: —as anyone’s daily journal would, I would think. Right?

Dave Cawley: Right?

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): At this point, I’m honestly satisfied with my DVD collection, y’know, with a few exceptions. I’ve got a lot of Disney cartoons. I’ve got the Rogers and Hammerstine collection, some holiday and festive videos. Christmas, Mickey’s Christmas, umm, Miracle, It’s a Wonderful Life, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Rudolph, Christmas Story, The Nightmare Before Christmas, the Charlie Brown holiday series with Christmas, Thanksgiving and, and Halloween.

Dave Cawley: One of the things that kind of blew me away about it when I first heard it is, this recording starts with Josh Powell saying, uh, “continuing on from…”

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Here is is, December 13^th, year 2000 still. I ran out of space on the card in this recorder. So I’m going to finish up this journal entry here.

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: …so he’s been talking before. And now he’s going to talk for another hour and 20 minutes.

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: I mean, so, he’s committed a significant portion of his day to recording this material. And—

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: —you would think if you’re going to invest that much time and effort, it would be “today was a really big day and here’s why.”

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: And instead what we hear is “uh, y’know, I want to talk about my debt and, y’know, what I’m doing with my credit cards and…”

Matt Woolley: Right. And if you notice, I’d be interested if you saw this as well, but my feeling was the way he describes a lot of things are sort of literature-like. Instead of just casual conversation, the way you might efficiently speak about what you did that day, I think is where you were going with that is—

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: —he instead describes things in, in unnecessary detail in an, in sort of a narcissistic way, as if somebody is ever going to care about this. That it’s somehow important, precious information about him, eh, that some day future generations or other people might take a real interest in what he was doing that day. Just the mundane, everything would somehow be interesting and important. So I felt like it was very much a, y’know, it’s a narcissistic activity. It reflects back on himself his own self-importance that, that nobody ever would truly care about.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): So I need to spend a little more time taking care of this. I’ve got to scan a lot of papers to get, get rid of the actual paperwork. Then I’ve got to organize a bunch of files in my computer. And I’d really like to reformat my hard drive and re-install things a lot cleaner.

Matt Woolley: To him, in his mind and this, and this is fairly young in his, before his marriage, uh, kind of this developing delusion of his grandiosity.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): My current financial system of using multiple debit cards is something I’d came up with a few months ago. It seems like it was probably back in May or June when I came up with the idea.

Dave Cawley: And is this something, because I hear the question a lot from people who’ve listened the podcast and they’re surprised at all of these journals—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —you’ve got Josh keeping this audio journal. You have Steve writing just, y’know, all of these pages and pages of, of his journal. Uh, you even have Susan journaling a little bit—

Matt Woolley: Yep, yep.

Dave Cawley: —and, and so where does it cross the line from being “hey, that’s a little unusual” to “wow, that’s really strange” in your mind?

Matt Woolley: Well, first of all you have to put it in context. So, they both grew up in the LDS faith and in the LDS church journaling is highly encouraged. So, y’know, the fact that Susan kept childhood and adolescent journals wouldn’t necessarily be unusual, per se. But this, this complete cataloguing of his life, which is what he did not what she did, that’s where it kind of crosses over. Typically, journaling is a mundane activity for the journaler. And so people tend to be fairly efficient with it, if they journal at all. He liked technology and so he was drawn towards this new technology, well not necessarily new but he was on the edge—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —of digitally recording audio and video. But, umm, where it becomes, I think, uh, crosses a line from kind of odd to very strange is the number of hours that, that are, that are involved. Which, like you said, an hour, I don’t have an hour and 20 minutes in my day to, to do something fun—

Dave Cawley: I don’t, I don’t think many of us do, right?

Matt Woolley: —let alone, yeah. Right. And so that, just the, the sheer minutes and hours, literally hours involved in his audio and some video is incredible. And then the fact that they really are about very, uh, mundane sorts of things. He does get into describing what you might see in a journal a little bit more often like feelings and thoughts about things. However, then it becomes even more kind of this, as if he’s reading a book. It, it, he extends out his descriptions of things well beyond what you’d want to do if you were trying to efficiently record your thoughts and feelings.

And so I’d say those sorts of things combined, plus the fact that it’s really ego-centric, meaning the self. It’s all about him and his thoughts and his feelings about everything. Which, of course, somebody’s listening saying “well, it’s his journal.” But there’s very little indication that he is contemplating or processing the thoughts and feelings and behaviors of other people, other people’s motives in his life or what, how they think and how they feel. There’s really no indication that he’s thinking “oh, I wish I could make someone else happy today.” Y’know, it’s all about his own things, his, his description of how great his, I remember he said he spent $300 on a DVD player and I remember when they used to be expensive like that.

Dave Cawley: Right.

Matt Woolley: Right?

Dave Cawley: Right.

Matt Woolley: So he’s wanting to, y’know, kind of highlight that he has very nice things.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I don’t really regret the DVD player. It was, uh, about a $300 purchase and now I’ve got the, y’know, hundreds of dollars-worth of DVDs that I’ve accumulated over the last couple of months. I don’t think that was really a, a problem. I don’t regret it at all.

Matt Woolley: There at times is kind of a “poor me,” sort of picked-on, y’know, attitude that I’m, I’m special but people aren’t recognizing it. So I think all of those factors together really tip the scales into the fact that this is well beyond a typical journal, but the, the highlight is just the number of hours, is y’know, I doubt, y’know, the president has quite so much audio on him.

Dave Cawley: Right. I’m glad you brought up the point about how he seems to lack this empathy for other people. Uh, there’s one particular passage in my mind where he’s talking about “I’m trying to be more active with friends.”

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Up at UW Seattle it was really, you became a number. I didn’t like that environment. Down in Tacoma, I feel like I have an opportunity to make friends with people where I never could up in Seattle except in church.

Dave Cawley: It’s better now that I’m in Tacoma and I’m hosting these get-togethers where people come over, and isn’t this great.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I started a tradition of inviting people over every Sunday and after a few weeks that progressed into a tradition where we just get together as a group, pretty much the same core.

Dave Cawley: And then a little bit later in the recording he comes back and says…

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): People come over to my house and instead of eating what I’m offering them, they come in and say “oh” — they look in my freezer — “oh, I want to make orange juice to go with dinner.” And “I want to put this with my dinner.” Well, eventually when they start doing that, it gets extremely expensive to have these dinners and so I’ve felt like that has, uh, been a, a burden that I can’t take these days.

Dave Cawley: There might be some normal annoyance that most of us would feel at going, y’know, “I’m kind of a poor college student, I don’t have the resources.” But at the same time, there’s almost a shift in the way his voice sounds in my ear—

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: —that this is more than just annoyance. Like, this is “how dare they?”

Matt Woolley: Yeah, I think you’re absolutely right. It’s uh, they’ve gone out of bounds of his expectation and he wants to put them back in those boundaries. So, I think specifically he said people will get something out of the fridge and say “oh, I’d like to add this to the meal.” And we don’t know what those things were but, but most likely since he was a poor college student, it might’ve been salad dressing for all we know. Nothing that, y’know, people aren’t, y’know, unthawing his meat supply for the year.

Dave Cawley: It’s not steaks. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Woolley: Right, exactly. And so, I think absolutely there’s a shift in his tone and temper in his voice when he talks about this, this really bothers him. That “how dare they” is definitely a good way to describe the feeling you get when you listen to that shift. How dare they do something in my home that I didn’t intend? Y’know, they’re here to become my friends. And so there’s no reciprocity there and there’s also no acknowledgement that maybe he was popular for a minute. People enjoy being there. They’re comfortable enough to go into his fridge. A different alternative perspective would be like “oh, it’s awesome,” y’know, “people come over and they, they help themselves to stuff. I’m really making real friends.” But no, it was, he can’t control what they’re doing in his environment and it bothers him.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): At this point, of course, I’m only seeing Susan and I have been for about a month now.

Dave Cawley: This also is really important in my mind because we know that it’s during one of these Sunday dinners that he hosted that he and Susan really hit it off. He didn’t go into it as much in this particular recording but in some of the others that were used in, in Cold, you hear him describe, y’know, Susan after the meal got up and, and was cleaning the dishes—

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: —and that’s when we fell in love.

Matt Woolley: (Laughs)

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Uh, I think I might’ve asked for help doing to the dishes and she volunteered so we were doing dishes together and I guess she liked that so much that she decided she really likes me.

Dave Cawley: It’s so hard for my mind to understand a 24, 25-year-old guy who meets this, y’know, cute 19-year-old and in none of these recordings, this one included, does he ever say anything about, y’know, she is so, I, I am head over heels for her—

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: —she is so this, that or the other. It’s—

Matt Woolley: None of that typical language.

Dave Cawley: —it’s how she serves me, how she takes care of me.

Matt Woolley: Oh yeah, very specifically. Umm, he, I, I have, if you listen to what, this, this section and then the, the Cold episodes, you obviously see that he has a plan. He is attending church functions, uh, social functions put on by his church, with the primary goal of dating. Trying to find somebody. Complains that girls don’t call him back.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I sometimes have difficulty finding girls who are willing to return my phone calls, go out with me. I’ve had over the last, uh, three or four months, I’ve called a number of girls who never returned my phone calls or who always said they were too busy to go out with me.

Matt Woolley: He’s very much in, on the hunt so to speak, for finding a girlfriend and I assume then later a wife. And when he finds Susan, she has these traits that he just has been looking for. She’s very, uh, kind. He said she does, y’know, nice things for him.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): She’s the first girl I’ve known, that I’ve been dating, who has had a car, who comes to visit me. And y’know, in the past I’ve always been the one to pick up a girl, whether she’s visiting me or I’m visiting her, I’m always the one to do the driving so that’s a great thing.

Matt Woolley: He specifically mentions that she jumps in and does the dishes, that she washes her hands and puts everything back after she uses the bathroom. And it only takes a minute to do that.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): She also tends to help me clean up, like after we have a party or, or after we have dinner together at my place or something. She helps me clean it up and keeps the kitchen clean. Like when she washes her hands in the bathroom, she wipes up the sink. Which I do, too. I like to keep all that clean. It only takes a second to keep things looking really nice.

Matt Woolley: And it really is all about her serving him, her doing things for him. Her making him feel good and special. Respecting his things, the opposite of what the other guests were doing in the home. She’s putting things back, cleaning up, doing the dishes and then doing nice things for him. And then, in this journal that we listened to there’s also a section where, I mean, this is a hard-working girl. She works very hard. Uh, she goes to beauty school all day, works at J.C. Penney and then drives to his house to meet him and, and serve him again.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): It really shows that she cares. For her to come over here after her long day and make it a point to see me every day…

Matt Woolley: And so he’s, I think, just found the ideal, in his mind, person to feed his narcissistic self-perception that he’s special and deserves to be treated that way.

Dave Cawley: Yeah. There, as I recall, is a, a particular where he talks about when they started dating. And, uh, he almost sounds a little defensive in saying “well, this was really Susan’s idea,” and y’know, “I wasn’t sure that I wanted to give up all these other options.”

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): When I started getting serious with Susan, it was mainly her idea. I was very hesitant to get into a relationship because I was finally feeling confident about dating and I didn’t want to let go of all my relationships that I could potentially develop.

Dave Cawley: Right after he’s told us that he really has no other options because girls won’t give him the time of day.

Matt Woolley: (Laughs) Right, right.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Sometimes I feel like I can’t reach any girls anywhere, that for some reason or another, they won’t give me the, a chance to even go out with them.

Matt Woolley: But in his mind, being a special, precious person that’s deserving of adoration, he must have many, many options. He just hasn’t found them yet. Like—

Dave Cawley: Or, or convinced them yet.

Matt Woolley: Or convinced them yet, yeah. Let them, or given them the privilege. I mean, it’s all of that—

Dave Cawley: Right, right.

Matt Woolley: —self-absorbed, narcissistic thinking and uh, and he even kind of brushes her off at one point when, I think, was it the roommate or the friend was interested in her?

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: Y’know, he’s like “well,” y’know, “I just,” y’know, “he could have her.” Y’know, he was very nonchalant about it.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Tim and I were sort of flirting with her and Tim got her phone number and eventually called her. I was, I gave her my phone number, I didn’t, y’know, everyone was teasing me and I didn’t want to really get her phone number and do what everyone is teasing me that I always do. I didn’t want to be the second person to get it after Tim already got her phone number. Whatever the reasons, I just kind of let it go to some extent.

Matt Woolley: But of course, at that point when he’s saying that, she’d already come around to, to liking him so it was a no-risk way of brushing it off. He knew she was hooked on him.

Dave Cawley: Yeah. That’s a great observation, because there was a competition happening there, I think, for a short time for Susan’s attention between Josh and this particular friend.

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: And, and it’s interesting to see the way, uh, he goes back and describes in some other recordings, y’know, when he and Susan met that friend was there and, y’know, was she paying attention to me? Was she paying attention to him?

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: And this kind of, uh, this kinda tug-of-war about, y’know, if she pays attention to him, then she’s worthless and I don’t care about her.

Matt Woolley: Absolutely. Not worth going after. Where, y’know, I mean, that, that, y’know, male competition for a girl when you’re in college, of course, happens all the time. But you would probably have somebody in Josh’s position who’s a normally functioning person have a very different approach, which is like, “what can I do to win her?” Like, what can I do? Y’know, she’s seeming to pay attention to my roommate or my friend more than me, but I really like her. Y’know, she’s the light of my life. I’ve got to have her. I’m gonna do this and that. None of that.

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: None of that from Josh. Josh is just like “oh, well you’re, yeah, worthless. You, you have no value if you’re not all about me.”

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000? audio journal recording): I was feeling very frustrated about dating in general. I didn’t want to have anything to do with any girl. I was feeling like I might have too difficult a time finding someone who will treat me the way I want to be treated.

Dave Cawley: There was a section in the recording that I want to ask you about, umm, in particular because it really hit me when I listened to it the first time and it hasn’t really dulled as I’ve gone back and listened to it on, y’know, repeat listens. And that is this section where Josh describes Susan and her anger.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I’ve seen her upset, like that day we were moving and I’ve certainly wasn’t thrilled about that. I wanna see that, that she keeps those kinds of things under control and also the way she treats other people. Like, she comes up, she has an attitude with some people like her sister or some of her friends, that she just needs to keep that under control. Which, I just want to see that she’s doing that for quite a long time before I even feel comfortable with, with her completely. And partly I’m concerned about how she would treat me, if she would pull that attitude on me, which would be completely unacceptable. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t accept that at all. And secondly, I wouldn’t want someone to come up with some, any kind of attitude with, with our kids.

Matt Woolley: That’s the essence of it. It really isn’t about the kids. A part of a, a narcissist is, they feed themselves their own story, uh, over and over again and kind of reinforcing their own self-worth and their own self-importance. And part of that is being like a good person. Like, I’m better than the rest of you. I’m smarter. Uh, in this case, uh, I’m more righteous and moral. I’m above the rest of you. And so he would say things, in my opinion, in these audio journals, they’re really messages to himself. Like, oh I don’t know that I should choose a woman like this because it might be bad for my future children. But then he goes on to talk about what the real underlying thrust is, I want to get a woman who will serve me all the time, be subservient. And she has a little bit of her own gumption.

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: And I, and I think that if we were, if we had been able to see, y’know, examples of what he’s talking about, it probably would’ve been a normal 19-year-old girl, oh I think he uses the word “attitude”—

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: —“she has an attitude.” Well, of course. She’s 19 and she’s an individual person. She’s gonna have a little attitude when people, when things don’t go her way. That’s—

Dave Cawley: And, and especially dealing with a personality like Josh’s.

Matt Woolley: Of course. He’s very controlling and—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —rigid and, and so yeah. When she pushed back on him a little bit, we don’t know exactly what that was—

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: —in dating, which I would assume was very normal and typical. The, the average person would probably look at that and say “oh yeah, that’s, she’s just being, she’s asserting herself as a normal human.” Uh, he, he did, he was worried about that. He was worried that “oh I may,” y’know, “I may not be able to control this woman the way I want to control her ‘cause she’s got a little bit of an attitude.” But then he turns it into this whole morphing of maybe she’d be abusive to the future children.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I mean, I think that would screw up my kids to have someone to have a mother who isn’t stable enough with them.

Matt Woolley: That sort of theme plays out later, when after she’s gone missing and the, the investigation is on, when Josh and his father Steve are going through her childhood journals trying to prove that she was abused and she was abusive to the kids and making these stories, just fabricating stories about her abusiveness. And you could see that he was toying with that idea before they were even married—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —as sort of an, uh, an out or an escape, a way to blame her for problems.

Dave Cawley: Right. Yeah, rather than self-reflect and go “maybe she’s upset with me because A, B, C, or D, it’s just because she has this problem—”

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: “—and she’s gotta get that solved—”

Matt Wooley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: “before,” y’know, “I will ever consider…”

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): So Susan is always talking about marriage with me. The other day she said something like “would you let me propose to you?” And I didn’t really know what to say so I didn’t say anything. But, uh, first of all, I wouldn’t want a girl to propose to me at all. I would find that probably very uncomfortable. And secondly, I’m not really ready to, to get engaged with Susan anyway. I at least want to get to know her over the long run and see how she is, if, if her, uh, personality changes. Like, I want to see how she can handle stress and, and whether she has patience and stuff in the long run.

Matt Woolley: I think if, people who’ve listened to your podcast, they’ll recognize a theme. And that is that he sees things as kind of a zero-sum game. As plus and minus. Things are either an asset to me or they’re a liability to me. And there, there is very little, if any, I don’t recall anything I’ve read or heard that would make me indicate he has true empathy. He fakes sympathy and empathy at times.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I was helping her move and she was in a really stressed-out mood and she wasn’t really being very nice. Well afterwards, and I was just somewhat understanding, I guess. I wasn’t being really rude to her in response but afterwards, she felt really bad so she was going out of her way to just make it up to me, do little nice things for me.

Matt Woolley: The way normal, typical, healthy adults interact is we may be upset with each other in our marriages or relationships but we can, y’know, calm down and empathize and realize “ok, I understand why he or she was thinking this way or that way or feeling this way or that way.” And that helps us compromise and work with people, make real, genuine connections. Umm, but he, he didn’t have that. There’s nothing that I am aware of that is an example of him doing that. It’s just “she needs to serve my needs and if she’s not serving my needs and I can’t make her serve me, then she goes from an asset to a liability.”

And that’s exactly what we see happen over time as she found her own voice, so to speak. Uh, started, uh contemplating the idea that maybe he wouldn’t change. Maybe they did need to divorce and I’m sure there were lots and lots of conversations none of us will ever be privy to that planted ideas in his mind that “she’s going to become a liability. She’s a liability now. I need to eliminate that liability.” But that goes way back—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —to this, uh, audio journal of shortly just, what, weeks after they met?

Dave Cawley: When Josh records this audio journal, they’ve been dating for about a month and they’re about a month away from being engaged.

Matt Woolley: Yeah. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: And it’s stunning to me that you hear Josh in this recording say “eh, y’know, Susan’s kind of been the one driving this and I don’t have this,” and less than a month later, he is, he is all in.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I realized that she was serious, that she wasn’t going to just start something and walk away. And at this point, I am confident that she, that she is sincere.

Dave Cawley: He recognizes at some point during that span of time that she meets those criteria that you’re looking for—

Matt Woolley: Uh huh.

Dave Cawley: —as you described, and if you don’t lock her in—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —she will leave.

Matt Woolley: Right.

Dave Cawley: And, and maybe it’s, uh, you and I talked a little bit about this kind of idea of a narcissist having a, a protective front—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —and maybe there is that, that, y’know, little piece inside, that voice that’s going “you gotta commit her before she finds out who you really are.”

Matt Woolley: Yeah, I think that’s, that’s absolutely the truth. Umm, I’m, I’m sure he was worried about he’s found the perfect girl for him, meets all his criteria, his check, checklist and she could get away.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Felt like I had to make a decision: either get with her exclusively, right then and there and let all these other girls go that I have tentatively scheduled dates with or that I’ve been talking to and that I’ve been planning to ask out any day now. Uh, I either had to let all of those girls go or get with her, to get with her. Or let her go to continue the things the way they were. So that was a very scary step.

Matt Woolley: One way to think of a, a narcissistic personality — and I’ll, I’ll just take a side-step and say personality as the psychologist thinks of it is our way of perceiving, understanding and interacting with the world. And it’s kind of auto-pilot. It’s how we do what we do when we’re not thinking about what we’re doing. It’s just us. And so it’s a very ingrained part of who we are. It is who we are. So most of our personality traits, quirky as they may be are healthy—

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: —and, uh, capable of us reflecting on them and realizing we may need to improve in certain areas of our life and if you’ve been married then you know there’s someone there to help you reflect on that.

Dave Cawley: Right, yeah, right.

Matt Woolley: And, and, and that can be a hard process—

Dave Cawley: Right.

Matt Woolley: —but a good one. And a, a narcissist typically you may think of them as somebody who’s not building a genuine personality structure. It’s kind of this facade, at least at first its this facade of competency. I’m special, I’m important. And it has to be perfect and pristine and, uh, elevated above everyone else because it’s false. Y’know, he was, a lot of people have told me “oh wow, he was very intelligent.” And we look through the things, we look through the report and we say “ok, he’s above average in intelligence.” But it was a particular kind. It had nothing to do with, uh, really creativity, flexibility, fluid intelligence wasn’t his thing. Interpersonal intelligence was not his thing. Uh, it was very much this mathematical type of intelligence. And it was, so kind of fits that cold exterior. His narcissistic armor, so to speak, this facade, is what he would invest all his time in. That’s who he’s talking to a lot of the time on these tapes is just building up this sense of “I’m special and precious.”

So you think of it as kind of a facade and the real person underneath kind of shrinks year after year after year. But at some point, y’know, when you’re still younger, you’re in your 20s, there may be some of that left that goes “Josh, you’ve gotta lock her down or she’s gonna get away. She’s gonna find out that you’re really not that great.” And so, over time that voice gets smaller and smaller as the narcissistic personality develops a thicker skin. And then the person essentially becomes that false person—

Dave Cawley: Hmm.

Matt Woolley: —in a way. And so I think absolutely he, he probably jumped on getting her locked down in marriage as quickly as he could because during the short period of time of dating, uh, she was demonstrating she needed, she could be who he wanted.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): She seems like someone I could be with because she’s got the same values in, uh, conserving energy, keeping the house clean, uh, which is important to me.

Matt Woolley: And what we know about Susan is she was attractive, uh, vivacious, energetic. Probably somebody that had a lot of offers for, for dating.

Dave Cawley: And she was just at 19 kind of entering that phase of her life where you would transition from maybe, y’know, boyfriend-girlfriend into, into some of these more serious relationships. And I think a lot of, uh, young adults in that, in that space, they go through a few relationships that, that fail and—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —and they learn along the way and they develop some of those skills.

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: And I personally look at, y’know, Susan and Josh and see that in some ways, marrying Josh when she did appears to have stunted Susan’s development a little bit.

Matt Woolley: Absolutely.

Dave Cawley: And it’s not until later in her, in her later 20s after she’s kind of had a, a gut full of it that she begins developing a little more independence in stepping out—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —and that puts her in conflict with her husband.

Matt Woolley: Oh yeah, very well said. Umm, that’s one of the, as, as a psychologist and working with people, umm, I’m always concerned when an 18, 19, even 20-year-old says they wanna get married. That, y’know, can work out, I know. Uh, however, that person is giving up, regardless of whether the marriage works out of not, which may be a product more of the two people developing a good dynamic together and, and one of ‘em not being a psychopath, umm, that uh, that you give up that personal development, that young adult experience.

You’ve gone, and we actually have a term for it. It’s called individuating or becoming your own self and you’ve been raised, uh, and learned all the good things and had all the support from your family, your community, etcetera. And now you’re on your own, to some degree. Uh, you’re off to college, being more independent, and you need several years of experience, uh, with taking care of yourself, managing your own finances and maybe most importantly: relationships. How do you handle friendships? How do you handle intimacy?

And so developing competency in your ability to have intimate connection with other people requires practice. It’s not something we’re born with, necessarily. Some people might be a little better at it than the rest, but we need practice. And unfortunately, the time that she could have been practicing that in dating through college, unfortunately she got married.

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: And she got married to somebody that had, uh, very ill intentions for her.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): In the worst case, I would probably end up moving back in with my dad, putting all my stuff into storage. I would probably pay $150 to $200 a month to store everything I own and, of course, that wouldn’t be ideal either.

Dave Cawley: Let’s talk about the broader Powell family dynamics that, uh, I, I think are kind of hinted at in this audio journal. You hear Josh talking about some of his interplay with his dad. What did you take away from that?

Matt Woolley: Umm, so I think there’s that, umm, competition between father and son. Umm, and y’know, like most boys growing up, he when he was younger, y’know, probably wanted his father’s attention and approval and that sort of thing. But when the divorce happens, then something different kind of takes over and takes place and, uh, that’s often referred to as a closed family system. And what I mean by that is, there was a divorce and, uh, the, very contentious. All the kids except for Jennifer, I believe, went with, with the father, with Steve. Josh, there was a, a, maybe a few weeks or months there where he was trying, he and his younger brother were trying to spend some time with mom but she was trying to set some, what seemed like appropriate limits and boundaries to establish, she’s come from this chaotic situation, establish an appropriate home life, uh, and hoping that Josh would give in to. And so he wouldn’t do that and he went back into this family system with his, uh, father. And a closed family system is kind of like circling the wagons, y’know, it’s us versus them. The rest of the world is bad or wrong or evil, typically, and we only can trust each other. Uh, there’s a lot of indoctrination of, kind of delusional, paranoid beliefs, typically, that are happening, which we know, umm, boundary-less.

Steve appears also to be a true narcissist with, y’know, a lot of sexual deviancies and so he would be kind of primed to have no boundaries with his children, that they were a possession of him. He owned them and could do with them what he wanted and so, uh, as they were younger I’m sure there was a lot of abuse and very questionable things that happened to those children in that home, uh, exposure to pornography maybe being the least of the concerns. And we know there was reports of sexual abuse and, and fantasies and things that were just very inappropriate for a child’s development. Josh pushes back, as a teenager would. And so there creates this competition and as soon as Josh quits just following dad’s word to the letter, then Josh becomes an enemy or a liability instead of an asset to Steve. And then Josh becomes maligned by his father as, as soon as his father sees his fiancé and, and then Susan becoming his wife, he wants to possess what Josh owns. And because he’s a sexually deviant, uh, narcissist, then it’s it’s a sexual obsession that is just remarkable.

I mean it’s, it’s unbelievable. The documentation and the, the self-aggrandizing that he has around this. He’ll even tell everyone about it. And he puts his son down. So there’s this tug back and forth during the early years of the marriage. Uh, Josh feels, uh, I think, uh, rebellion against his father and does a very odd rebellion and that is that maybe going to church and becoming an active member of the church was actually a rebellious act against his father, right?

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I also have been praying almost every night and reading the scriptures at some point every day with, y’know, a few exceptions when I’ve, when I haven’t for one reason or another. But overall, I think I’ve done very well with those over the last many, many months.

Matt Woolley: His father at this point was a self-described anti-Mormon, very, taking every opportunity to run the church down publicly, personally. Uh, so the perfect rebellion against Steve, at that time, for Josh would be to become an active member of the church, number one. Number two, independent from his father. So back to the audio journal that we reviewed—

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Matt Woolley: — umm, he’s talking very, very detailed, very, a lot of detail in his conversation about his independence, so to speak. He has food, he has an apartment, he has things. He’s planning to decrease his debt and be self-sufficient. And so, he’s rebelling against Steve. Whereas, most fathers, a typically functioning father, would be, that’s what you hope. You hope that your kid, you’d be praising them but I’m sure Steve wasn’t. Steve wants Josh to be dependent on him because Josh is just an extension of the narcissistic father.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I keep a substantial food supply. I probably have the largest food supply of anyone in my ward.

Matt Woolley: The rebellion going to church, the rebellion by being individual, uh, an individual who’s independent, plays into that relationship. But then Josh has to eat crow several times and move home and there’s that tension. Uh, however over time, Josh tends to develop and become more like his father. He takes on those, uh, harder narcissistic traits and uh, starts to align himself more with his father against his own, uh, wife. It eventually comes out that Steve propositioned Susan and Josh does very little about that, if anything. Whereas, most husbands would be, they’d be ready to fight dad—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —right? Like, “you kidding me?”

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: Your dad is, y’know, propositioning and, and then it’s the music he writes and the videos he shoots and the fantasies he shares. I mean, this is just a really, uh, sick focus but it’s a, he wants to possess what Josh has and push Josh out. Josh is now a liability and so Josh is fighting back. But eventually, Josh loses and Josh’s personality becomes more like his father. He aligns with his father against Susan. Susan now becomes Josh’s liability. So it’s, it’s, it’s umm, an interesting study in generational narcissism and how narcissistic parents can influence narcissistic children and they eventually become aligned in their narcissism. Maybe not in all of their behaviors and attitudes, but certainly in their narcissism.

Dave Cawley: I, in my head I’m thinking about, y’know, two ends of the, of a magnet, right? If you take—

Matt Woolley: Uh huh. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: —two negative poles and try to push them together—

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: —they’re gonna repel each other.

Matt Woolley: Yep.

Dave Cawley: But yet there’s also, there seems to be this attraction between them.

Matt Woolley: Yeah. Yeah, it’s a push-pull, very conflict-based but kind of like you can’t tear ‘em apart.

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): Sometimes it feels to me like I do too much, that I’m giving away more than I can afford. Like, giving people rides up to Seattle and who knows where else when I really can’t even afford the gas.

Dave Cawley: We can draw this out and see what happens, uh, after Steve gets arrested where now Josh almost becomes the, the alpha, in a way. Umm—

Matt Woolley: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: —and this is going well beyond the audio journal but I do think it’s, because we’re talking about this interplay relationship, that when Steve goes to jail and Josh becomes kind of the de facto head of that household—

Matt Woolley: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: —now he’s the one who’s calling the shots. And I’ve talked to a number of people who were privy to, y’know, the jail phone calls and things of that time who said Josh really asserted himself as being the one who was in authority at that point, which I found interesting.

Matt Woolley: And probably, yeah, definitely an interesting observation and, but, but maybe somewhat predictable—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: —because he’s been vying for that position. There’s not a healthy father-son relationship, where your dad becomes kind of a wise mentor in, as you, and is proud of you for having your own life. There’s none of that. The only way Josh gets any real validation is at first by pleasing his dad, and then later by taking over, becoming his dad.

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Matt Woolley: And so once dad’s out of the picture, he’s like my, it’s my turn to shine as the narcissistic alpha of this family.

Dave Cawley: One of the, the final things I wanted to kind of touch on is, if we look at, if we look at Josh, especially y’know, in this early timeframe, I’ve had the question listening to these audio journals and reviewing, y’know, the divorce file, do you think there was a, a point in time, or could there be, y’know — if somebody has a child who’s exhibiting, uh, narcissistic behaviors as they’re growing — is there a way to step in and direct or channel that in a way that’s more positive.

Matt Woolley: Yeah, that’s a great question and something that, uh, came to my mind often listening to, to the podcast episodes and then the journals that we reviewed. So you have to look at what is personality? Personality is developmental. Uh, it develops through childhood and adolescence and starts to become more solidified in adulthood. In that context, the answer would be yes. You can see developing traits of maladaptive personality early in a child’s life, sometimes back to elementary school. Uh, so narcissism and, uh y’know, interpersonal coldness, uh y’know, lack of empathy, those things can, can be seen early on.

Uh for, for any clinicians listening, y’know uh, most clinicians would say “we want to rule out other causes of that.” Y’know, there often can be things like abuse and neglect involved in that process. So certainly, y’know, interventions that reduce or eliminate abuse and neglect, provide support, healthy self-esteem and concepts early on should be employed. I personally work a lot with older children, adolescents and primarily for the reason that they’re in this developmental period where things like, whether it’s an anxiety issue, a learning disability or their personality structure is, those things are developing. It’s a great time to get in and make interventions.

To reference current research, we know that some personality disorders tend to have a fairly high loading of genetic predisposition. So, we know that with narcissism specifically and, and antisocial personality disorder and others, there seems to be fair amount of heritability. Now, that’s not destiny. Heritability is not destiny but some of these kids who are born to parents who obviously have met those criteria are at much higher risk for exhibiting those behaviors. So, from a teacher’s point of view, a, a parent’s point of view, other people involved, we would want to pay attention and as those tendencies are exhibited, it’s a great time to consult experts: pediatricians, therapists, people who can help with normal life development, uh, and kind of getting kids course-corrected. However, the problem is, one of the other generational factors may be chaos.

Dave Cawley: Hmm.

Matt Woolley: And so a lot of these kids who are born to parents who are personality disordered in this way — narcissism, antisocial — they may have parents in jail or in trouble with the law who don’t live a calm, normal lifestyle. And so, they’re also in, not just having a genetic predisposition but they’re being raised in a chaotic environment. And I think we see that with the Powell boys. Unfortunately, the potential for them having a normal, healthy life was there but Josh and his family’s influence wrecked that. Y’know, created chaos, created a stressed-out mother who was riding her bike on the freeway to work and back and not having enough to eat and this sort of abusive, chaotic, uncertain environment is, uh, the perfect environment to grow narcissistic personality.

So listeners, people who are teachers, aunts and uncles, parents, grandparents, umm, if you are, uh, concerned at all about that, instead of just wondering and worrying, y’know, talk with a professional like your pediatrician, for starters. That’s usually easy access and then maybe consult with a child or adolescent psychologist. There’s a lot that can be done early in life to help a person grow and develop.

Dave Cawley: Dr. Matt Woolley, thank you so much for, uh, taking the time to speak with us about this. Fascinating, we could go on for hours, I’m sure.

Matt Woolley: Yeah, definitely. Maybe we should, uh, go out to dinner and continue the conversation.

Dave Cawley: That’d be fantastic. Thanks, Dr. Matt Woolley.

Matt Woolley: Thanks.

Dave Cawley: Josh Powell’s cell phone rang. It was his brother, Michael. Michael wanted to know what was up with the honk-and-wave event Josh’s father-in-law, Chuck Cox, was staging at that very moment. An event focused on Josh’s missing wife, Susan Powell. Josh and Michael’s father, Steve Powell, had gone over to the event outside the Fred Meyer grocery store in their Puyallup, Washington neighborhood to take photos. But Michael, who was living in Minneapolis, had heard Steve had lost his temper and was shooting his mouth off to reporters. This was a problem.

“We should get off the phone and deal with it,” Michael said.

Josh wasted no time. He hung up and tried to call his dad. It went to voicemail. He tried calling his younger sister, Alina, who had gone to the store with Steve. No answer there, either. He tried them each again, to no avail. Finally, on his third try, he managed to get Alina to answer. He asked her what was going on. Was it as bad as Michael was making it sound? Alina told Josh their father was engaged in a shouting match with Chuck Cox.

“It’s just not worth it,” Josh screamed into the phone.

His call waiting beeped. Michael was calling back. Josh put Alina on hold and answered his brother’s call.

“Hang up with Alina and call 911,” Michael said.

Josh did not do that. Infuriated, he hung up and went to his minivan. He sped out of the neighborhood, whipping around the block to the parking lot of the Fred Meyer store. There, he dialed Alina again. She answered and told him to get there right away.

“I’m already here,” Josh said. He told his sister he was angry Steve had lost his temper.

“You can’t control your own temper,” Alina said.

“I can keep my temper on camera,” Josh shot back.

Josh went to work trying to manage the situation. He found some reporters and pulled them away from the scrum, diverting attention from his father. It wasn’t easy, considering he had his two boys in tow, but he did it. Josh spent about 30 minutes settling the situation before calling Alina again, telling her to grab Steve and get out of there. Alina brushed him off. She said she wanted to go to the gym and relax in the pool. Josh could hear Steve, off to Alina’s side, agreeing. The pool sounded nice.

“Get your [expletive] home,” Josh ordered.

“Shut the [expletive] up,” Alina said, telling her brother not to yell at her.

This didn’t help calm Josh, who was already red hot over what’d happened. Steve had thin skin and Chuck Cox had gone right under it. This was off message, not how Josh wanted his family to behave in public. It made them look guilty. What’s worse, Charlie and Braden had seen some it, too.

Josh headed home. Once there, he called Michael back to let him know how it’d gone. Michael said this could work to their advantage. Two weeks earlier, Josh had gone to court to seek a domestic violence restraining order against the Coxes. A judge had granted a him temporary one. Michael said Chuck’s appearance at the honk-and-wave probably violated the temporary restraining order. So, Michael asked, had Josh done as he’d suggested and called 911? No. So the police hadn’t showed up at the honk-and-wave? No.

“This is a win for Chuck,” Michael shouted at his brother.

Josh said he wasn’t sure Chuck had violated the letter of the law in the temporary restraining order. Michael didn’t care. He told Josh to call 911 now. It wasn’t too late to paint Chuck as threat. Maybe they could still get him arrested. For that to work though, Josh would have to choose his words carefully. Michael told him exactly what to say. They hung up and Josh called 911. He made a bogus report against his father-in-law, accusing Chuck of stalking and accosting his family.

This call, one of hundreds involving members of the Powell family during August of 201, was captured on a wiretap. The wire was the linchpin of a major multi-state police operation I previously uncovered in Episode 11 of Cold. At the time, I knew these recordings existed. But I didn’t know the full content. Now I do.

This is a bonus episode of Cold: Justice Delayed. From KSL Podcasts, I’m Dave Cawley. Right back after the break.

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Dave Cawley: In July of 2020, retired West Valley City police detective Ellis Maxwell testified in Washington’s Pierce County Superior Court. Sort of. He in fact appeared via Zoom, an accommodation made by the court in light of the threat posed by Covid-19.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 21, 2020 court recording): Alright, Mr. Maxwell, can you hear me alright?

Dave Cawley: Uh, sort of.

Ellis Maxwell (from July 21, 2020 court recording): Yes I can. Can you hear me ok?

Dave Cawley: He in fact appeared via Zoom, an accommodation made by the court in light of the threat posed by the Coronavirus.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 21, 2020 court recording): Yes I can. Can you raise your right hand for me please?

Ellis Maxwell (from July 21, 2020 court recording): Yes sir.

Dave Cawley: Ellis’ testimony came as part of the civil trial between Susan Powell’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox, and the state of Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services. The suit focused on the deaths of Susan’s sons, Charlie and Braden, at the hands of their father Josh Powell on February 5^th, 2012. For the moment, let’s focus on something specific Ellis said in his testimony.

Ellis Maxwell (from July 22, 2020 court recording):  My concern was the environment inside the Powell home, umm, for these children.

Dave Cawley: Cox family attorney Anne Bremner asked Ellis during cross-examination whether he’d had concerns about the welfare of Charlie and Braden before they were taken into state protective custody months before their deaths. Ellis said yes.

Ellis Maxwell (from July 22, 2020 court recording): This is, uh, August 2011. We’ve been investigating this case for some time—

Anne Bremner (from July 22, 2020 court recording): ‘Kay.

Ellis Maxwell (from July 22, 2020 court recording): —and learned a lot of information about Steven Powell, Josh Powell, the family members inside of the home … So yeah, the environment within the home was just concerning to me because of, and there’s other stuff I can’t discuss that’s protected.

Dave Cawley: To my knowledge, the only part of this case still “protected” is the wiretap. So imagine my surprise when, around the same time Ellis made that comment, I independently gained access to more than a thousand pages of wiretap transcripts. Nobody but a small handful of police have ever had access to these documents. To be clear: no source in law enforcement, past or current, provided me this access. I obtained it on my own.

I call them transcripts, but the documents are not always verbatim accounts of the conversations. They’re more summaries sprinkled with direct quotations. And the transcripts only include conversations that were deemed pertinent by investigators at the time. State and federal laws governing wiretaps place strict limits on what, when and how police can listen in on private communications.

In this episode, we’ll reconstruct several of the most consequential conversations involving Josh, Michael and Steve Powell during that critical period in August of 2011. As a refresher, you might want to re-listen to episode 11 of this podcast, Operation Tsunami, before following up with this one. Otherwise, prepare for a never-before-revealed glimpse into what the Powells were thinking, saying and doing during those days. You will come to understand why members of law enforcement tasked with working this case had reason to fear for the safety of Charlie and Braden, a fear Susan’s parents argued Washington social workers disregarded.

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Josh Powell was going to be late. It was August 23^rd, 2011. Three days had passed since the disaster at the honk-and-wave. Josh was due in court in Tacoma for a hearing on his request for a permanent domestic violence protection order against Chuck Cox. The temporary restraining order authorized by the judge a couple of weeks earlier was about to expire. Josh and Chuck were both scheduled to appear before the judge at 3 p.m. It was already close to 2 and Josh wasn’t even close to ready to leave home for what, on a good day, was a 30 minute drive. Over his shoulder, Josh shouted to his younger sister Alina that he needed to go, now.

An inkjet printer made its vvvt-clunk-vvvt-clunk, spitting out page after page of paperwork. They were declarations of support Josh had solicited from his family. In fact, Josh and Michael had spent most of the morning talking about the declarations and Josh was on the phone with Michael right that moment, going through last-minute wording changes to his own statement for the court. Here’s a sample of what Josh had written.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from August 23, 2011 court declaration): In the past two years, I have primarily focused on protecting and loving my children, finding and working a regular job to provide for my children, engaging my children in fun and educational activities, and contributing to the search for Susan.

Dave Cawley: Since his wife’s disappearance, Josh had collected hours of video of himself with his sons. 

Josh Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): What are you writing?

Charlie Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): Mommy is a beautiful.

Josh Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): That’s right.

Charlie Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): Susan is beautiful.

Josh Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): Yeah. How do you feel about your mommy? Do you love her?

Charlie Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): Mmhmm. I’m happy about her.

Josh Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): We sure love her.

Dave Cawley: Videos he planned to publish online, in an effort to present himself as a model father.

Charlie Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): Michael, I’m drawing a mess, a message to mommy.

Josh Powell (from May 28, 2010 home video recording): That’s right and we will put that on a website for mommy so, so if there’s any way possible she’s going to be able to see it, huh?

Dave Cawley: “Chuck Cox is going to try and paint me as a horrible murderer,” Josh said to Michael over the phone. Michael told his brother to keep calm and do what he’d learned to do while serving in the U.S. Army: remember your training.

Josh’s declaration spanned 11 pages. He painted his missing wife’s father as the ringleader of an online mob.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from August 23, 2011 court declaration): Cox’s followers have had us under surveillance and have been communicating information back to Cox about me and my sons. … There are numerous people acting in this capacity for Cox. People have claimed it is their right and obligation to keep me under surveillance claiming it is only to protect my children from me.

Dave Cawley: He went so far as to claim, without evidence, that Chuck Cox had once threatened to kill him during an encounter near Steve Powell’s home.

Rich Piatt (from August 23, 2011 KSL TV archive): At a confrontation at a Seattle-area Lowes earlier this year, Powell claims Cox mouthed the words “you’re dead” after Powell refused to let Cox hug their grandchildren.

Dave Cawley: “Nobody can deny that I am a tremendous victim,” Josh said to Michael. “Chuck’s whole intention is to push me to the edge.”

Josh had tasked Michael with collecting screen captures of conversations in the private Facebook group titled Where is Susan Powell? People there had been discussing the case of Josh’s missing wife, often speculating he had murdered her. Josh considered this evidence of harassment. He intended to hand printouts of those screenshots to the judge.

“It’s going to be funny when I walk in there and say all these people are lawbreakers,” Josh said.

Turning to his sister Alina, Josh asked how much was left to print. There were the screenshots, several news articles and Steve’s declaration. Too much. Josh let loose a string of profanities before lashing out at his sons who were underfoot.

“Go play,” he shouted. “Don’t make me tell you again!”

He shoved a handful of highlighters into his briefcase, along with as much of the paperwork as had finished printing.

“I’m headed out the door,” Josh said to Michael before adding “oh [expletive], this isn’t going to be fast enough.”

Josh hung up and went to his minivan. He steered out of his neighborhood, headed for Tacoma. He’d only been gone a few minutes when, from the driver seat, he picked up his cell phone and called Alina back at the house. She told Josh it was good he hadn’t waited around for the print job to finish. She’d stepped away to check on Charlie and Braden and when she’d returned, she’d discovered the printer had jammed.

“This is [expletive],” Josh said. “I’m [expletive] stuck behind someone doing 30 miles per hour.”

As if Alina could do anything about that. But Josh did need a favor from her. He asked Alina to read their dad Steve’s declaration to him over the phone. She didn’t have it. The file was on Josh’s computer.

“You have to tell me the password if you want me to be able to get in,” she said.

Josh gave it to her: ab1234. Then, he said, go to the R: drive, to a folder called “Susan missing archive,” then to a folder called “restraining order against the Coxes.” She did as he asked, reading him the pertinent document.

“Oh [expletive], there’s a sheriff behind me,” Josh said. “I hope I have enough time to park, pass the media and get into the court.”

Less than 20 minutes remained before the scheduled start of the hearing and Josh still had miles to go.

“Oh my god. Oh my god. I just got stuck at a light. Oh [expletive], oh [expletive]. Come on, come on. You’ve got to be kidding me,” Josh said. “Now I’m going 20 miles an hour again. [Expletive]! Problem is, even when I get there, I’m not sure how to park.”

Alina listened on her cell phone as her brother road raged. At the same time, she picked up the home phone and dialed the court.

“Good idea,” Josh said before adding, “I wish I had a [expletive] motorcycle today.”

He’d left his old Yamaha Radian to rust in the back yard of the home he and Susan had shared in Utah when he’d moved back in with his dad in January of 2010. In his declaration, he justified that move not as effort to evade the investigation into Susan’s disappearance, but instead as a way of protecting his sons from the media.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from August 23, 2011 court declaration): They were shining bright lights into my windows all hours of the night for live shows airing in various time zones. My sons slept with me, but they did not understand the bright lights and crowds. It was giving them nightmares.

Dave Cawley: Alina relayed the directions from the court staffer to Josh, guiding him on where to park. With that done, Josh told Alina, “I’m here. I’m going in.” The hearing did not go as Josh had hoped.

Rich Piatt (from August 23, 2011 KSL TV archive): Today, Cox’s attorney denied making any statement or gesture that could have at all been construed as threatening. Cox goes on to say that it’s outrageous that Powell lies under oath when Cox just wants to see the grandkids.

Dave Cawley: The judge refused to grant a restraining order. Instead, Josh and Chuck received mutual antiharassment orders. They were to leave each other alone for the next year. After leaving the court, Josh called Michael.

“I lost,” he said.

“[Expletive] it,” Michael said. “Publish the journals. I don’t think the judge is being fair.”

For months, Josh had been trying to get someone from the national media to publish Susan’s childhood journals. He believed they would damage her reputation, leading the public to see Susan as a flawed, immoral woman.

Scott Haws (from August 25, 2011 KSL TV archive): Y’see, last month Powell’s husband Josh and her father-in-law announced they would release her personal diaries in an attempt to prove she may have had the mindset to leave her husband and children for another man.

Dave Cawley: So far, no one had actually published them. If it was going to happen, Josh would have to do assume the risk of doing it himself.

“I don’t know what to say, Mike,” Josh said. “A lot of work for nothing. Now I’ve just gotten wasted in the media and public perception and everything else.”

“There is no public perception,” Michael said, “there is just a group of 50 people that don’t like you.”

Michael suggested maybe Josh should move again, to somewhere far away. When Josh asked where, he started singing The Beach Boys hit “Kokomo,” saying “Aruba, Jamaica.” Josh wasn’t going to leave, not without his family.

“I am already gone,” Michael said. He had moved to Minnesota a year earlier, in part to get away from the maelstrom that was Susan’s disappearance.

“If you clam up now and don’t talk to anyone, then this just goes away in two weeks,” Michael added.

“Then I lose,” Josh said. He was tired of losing, tired of maintaining appearances.

“[Expletive] this good guy [expletive],” Josh said.

“You ought to have a beer for once in your life,” Michael told his brother before adding, “It’s just a [expletive] game anyway.”

Then, Josh conferenced Steve in on the call. Steve had heard from a news producer in Utah that Josh had lost in court. Michael shrugged it off. He said they should all just pretend they got exactly what they wanted. Tell the media they were going out to celebrate. Invite them out for drinks. Josh agreed this was a great plan. He picked up the home phone and called a producer for Dateline NBC. He said he’d won and Dateline should rush a camera crew over to film their family’s celebration.

“I hate to gloat,” Josh said, “I just don’t care to have any relationship with the Coxes anymore. I have already done my grieving over the loss of that entire family.”

He didn’t bother to say if that included Susan.

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Dave Cawley: Dateline was not able to make the party. But a producer for ABC’s Good Morning America named Jim Vojtech did. He stayed at the Powell home late into the evening and called Steve early the next morning, on August 24^th. The Powells had been flirting with ABC News about doing a big interview since the prior April, when a freelance producer had showed up on their doorstep and sweet-talked Alina into letting her inside. Steve wrote about that in a May 13^th, 2011 journal entry.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 13, 2011 journal entry): We were kind of thinking that the ABC budget was probably not too slim, so we suggested to Tonya that we all go on a ferry ride from Bremerton to Seattle, and then eat at Salty’s on Alki Point, a really nice restaurant.

Dave Cawley: Steve went on to write about how Vojtech had immediately flown up from California to join them for the dinner.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 13, 2011 journal entry): They had hired a 14-seat van with a limousine driver for the occasion. … We had a nice chat on the way to Bremerton, and had time along the waterfront while waiting for the ferry.

Dave Cawley: Josh, as he often did, carried his camcorder and filmed the boys.

Tonya Kerr (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Braden, go down the long way like J, like Charlie did.

Dave Cawley: Charlie and Braden scrambled over the rocks along the Bremerton Boardwalk, right down to the water’s edge.

Josh Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Don’t you boys dip your feet in the water. Braden, don’t step in the water.

Alina Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Well, at least they’re in swimming, y’know.

Josh Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Yeah.

Tonya Kerr (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): (Laughs) There you go.

Josh Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): They’ll, they’d be ok, we could run over to ‘em. But it would make it uncomfortable for ‘em for the rest of the evening.

Alina Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Yeah, no kidding.

Dave Cawley: Josh kept filming on the ferry and at Salty’s.

Steve Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Whatever, whatever you want to order, go for it.

Charlie Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Umm, I want, umm, shrimp…

Dave Cawley: The Powells went all out on dinner, knowing ABC was picking up the bill.

Josh Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): So you want a fresh fruit tart—

Charlie Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): Yeah.

Josh Powell (from April 20, 2011 home video recording): —you want crab and, and lobster. 

Dave Cawley: The dinner was not cheap, as Steve noted in his journal.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 13, 2011 digital journal entry): The dinner cost over $700.00, including the tip. To put that in perspective, we go out for hamburgers and can get a pretty nice burger at McDonald’s for $1.00.

Dave Cawley: The ABC News team, Steve wrote, had pushed for an interview on that April trip. They’d wanted to have something ready to air by the end of May. Steve had played coy, saying thanks for the dinner, but they just weren’t ready.

Part of Josh’s reluctance at that point stemmed from the fact that ABC News had so far declined his request to publish Susan’s childhood journals. Josh and Steve were at the same time pitching that idea to NBC News. They’d been talking to a producer there named Shelley Osterloh. Shelley was a former employee of the company I work for, KSL, and had developed a rapport with the Powells. Through the summer of 2011, Shelley coordinated with Josh and Steve on planned interviews for an upcoming episode of Dateline. On July 7^th, an NBC crew came to Steve’s house to film the boys and Susan’s journals.

Steve sat down with Dateline host Keith Morrison the next day at a hotel in Seatac for what turned out to be a three-hour interview. Here is what Steve said about it in his journal.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 9, 2011 digital journal entry): They went through about four tapes during the interview. It was a very quiet and secluded room. … They can’t tell us when they will run the Dateline program about this. There is more research to be done.

Dave Cawley: On July 9^th, Josh met Shelley and the NBC crew at Tacoma’s Titlow Beach, where he allowed them to again film the boys. So much for his argument that the media gave his boys nightmares. Charlie and Braden tossed stones into the water and watched as a train rumbled by on the tracks adjacent to the beach.

(Sound of waves)

Josh Powell (from July 9, 2011 home video recording): What’s on the train, Braden?

Dave Cawley: The real prize for NBC and ABC alike was not video of the boys. It was an on-the-record interview with Josh. But he’d so far refused to commit.

The wiretap records reveal Josh spent a lot of time talking to a small handful of news producers whom he believed were on his side. When West Valley police staged their search of abandoned mines around Ely, Nevada at the start of the wiretap, Josh told Shelley “they will not find anything out in Ely, that’s for damn sure.” He also told her that before speaking to some local news reporters a few days earlier, he’d put Visine in his eyes. This, presumably, to make it appear as though he’d been crying.

Josh was tiptoeing ever closer to granting a full-blown network TV interview. What appeared to push him over the edge was his loss in court on August 23^rd. He at that point conceded the need for a more powerful platform. So that how ABC’s Jim Vojtech ended up speaking with Steve the morning of August 24^th, firming up plans for an interview with Josh later that day.

He interviewed with ABC after getting off work that afternoon. And he talked to Shelley again that evening, after her flight landed. Josh told her he’d have preferred to do just a single interview with all of the networks at once. Shelley explained it did not work that way, because ABC and NBC were competitors. Josh was waffling about doing an interview with Dateline, saying he only wanted to talk about Chuck Cox, the Mormons and Susan’s journals. He knew NBC would ask him about Susan and their marriage, topics he did not want to discuss. But, in the end, Josh relented. He agreed to an interview with Keith Morrison, to take place the next day: August 25th. West Valley police had other ideas.

Scott Haws (from August 25, 2011 KSL TV archive): Next on KSL 5 News at noon, more fallout surrounding the mystery of Susan Powell. The search and who’s accusing who in a war of words.

Dave Cawley: More on that after the break.

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Dave Cawley: Steve Powell awoke at about 5 a.m. on the morning of August 25^th, 2011. He couldn’t fall back asleep, so he rose, dressed and started his day. Steve had a business meeting scheduled around noon in Kennewick. It was about a four-hour drive, so he had to be out the door pretty early.

The meeting had come about as a result of an email he’d received a week or so earlier. It was a business lead, someone from Utah who had inquired about buying furniture from Washington Correctional Industries. Steve had been skeptical about it, wondering aloud in conversations with Josh and Alina if it might be a scam or a trap. The day prior, Steve had asked his boss if Correctional Industries, their employer, might send another salesman. Everyone else was busy. It had to be Steve.

So, on the morning of the 25^th, Steve drove up past Snoqualmie, joining I-90 and crossing the Cascades. Along the way, his phone rang. It was his daughter, Alina, back home. Alina told her dad about a call she’d received that morning from a producer at Inside Edition. Now they wanted to interview Josh or Steve, but Josh had said no. Steve said he couldn’t do it either, since he was on the road.

They talked about the events of the last few days. Two days earlier, as Josh had been preparing to go to court, Steve had received a phone call from a reporter with the Salt Lake Tribune. She’d seen a newly published blog post from Susan’s friend and neighbor, Kiirsi Hellewell.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 blog post): Sunday night, news broke about Josh Powell’s father, Steve Powell, having “feelings” for Susan, his own daughter-in-law. I’ve been monitoring Facebook, Twitter, and other places online and have seen many comments on this issue by emotional and outraged people on both sides. I wanted to explain why I personally decided to finally break my silence and talk about these new allegations against Steve Powell.

Dave Cawley: That’s Kiirsi’s voice. She has generously agreed to read portions of that old blog post for use in this podcast. Kiirsi went on to write about how Susan had confided her early in their friendship regarding Steve’s many violations of her privacy.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 blog post): When Susan talked about Steve Powell, she expressed extreme disgust and even feelings approaching hatred. Then she told me why she felt this way.

Dave Cawley: Kiirsi spelled out the parts we now know: Steve’s voyeurism, Susan’s rejection of his of advances and the move to Utah to escape Steve’s influence.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 Kiirsi blog post): I was, of course, shocked, horrified and disgusted to hear about this. “That’s not all,” Susan said, “there’s more.”

Dave Cawley: Kiirsi then described a conversation she’d once had with Susan, in which Susan claimed to have received a piece of mail from Steve.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 blog post): Steve Powell had sent Susan several pictures of Susan’s favorite actor.

Dave Cawley: That was Mel Gibson, for the record.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 blog post): At first, Susan thought this was actually a nice gesture on the part of Steve Powell. She wondered if he had changed, and maybe become a kinder person. Then she saw what was sitting in the middle of the stack of pictures: several pictures of naked men.

Dave Cawley: Susan had thrown the pictures in the trash, in disgust. Kiirsi explained she’d provided this information to police in the first weeks of their investigation, but had kept quiet publicly so as not to interfere with their work. She didn’t acknowledge then, but told me just recently, police had given her the green light to share what she knew before she published this blog post.

Kiirsi Hellewell (from August 23, 2011 blog post): I did not want to expose what Susan told me in deep confidence about her father-in-law. But enough is enough. … I will speak up for her now and forever in not allowing this evil to go forward unchallenged.

Dave Cawley: This was part of the police strategy to get Josh and Steve talking on the wiretap. And it worked. Steve took the call from the reporter and was blindsided by her questions about Kiirsi’s blog. Steve did his best to dodge on the specifics, but he did admit to the reporter that a “sexual energy” had existed between he and Susan.

Sarah Dallof (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Susan’s parents and friends maintain there is no truth to Steve Powell’s statements, that Susan was so uncomfortable around her father-in-law that she moved her family to Utah.

Dave Cawley: Talking to Alina on the phone later that afternoon, Steve had said it wasn’t as if he’d sent photos of himself to Susan. And even if he had sent her photos out of one of his Hustler magazines, she probably would have enjoyed it. These were kinds of conversations Steve had with his youngest daughter.

As Steve continued to drive toward Kennewick, Alina asked him to leave his phone connected and on speaker when he went into the hotel for the business meeting. She would monitor and record on her end, to make sure he was safe. Steve did just that. But, the meeting went off without a hitch. No real surprises.

Afterward, Steve talked to Alina. They agreed the timing of the meeting was strange. Why were people from Utah wanting to talk to Steve this week, with everything else that’d been going on? Alina warned her dad not to get too comfortable. Then, at 20 minutes to 2, Alina heard a knock at the door. Pierce County Sheriff’s deputies and West Valley City police were outside with a search warrant. She narrated to her father as the officers pushed past her and entered the house.

“I knew something was up, I don’t think these people are legitimate,” Steve said. “Those [expletive] [expletive].”

Alina explained TV news stations were already parked outside. They’d arrived before the police had even started stringing up their yellow tape.

“I bet they are looking for my journals on Susan,” Steve said. “God only knows what they’re looking for. What, do they think I had something to do with her disappearance? It can’t be about my relationship with Susan. They have known about that.”

Sarah Dallof (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Neighbors have been unsure how to react as police from both Washington and Utah serve a search warrant and removed bags and multiple computers from the Powell home.

Dave Cawley: Josh had also been at home when the police had arrived. His phone started to blow up, but he ignored the incoming calls and messages. He didn’t start using his phone again until a couple of hours later, after he’d left the neighborhood with his boys. His first call was to his dad.

“I’m pretty sure I don’t have a job anymore,” Josh said, explaining how the police were taking anything capable of storing digital data. Steve asked if that included his hard drive.

“I’m sure,” Josh said.

“Maybe they’re going to arrest me,” Steve said.

“They’re not going to arrest you, dad,” Josh said. “They just want the journals.”

Sarah Dallof (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Josh Powell showed us the warrant which spelled out in detail, the seven childhood journals of Susan Powell they were looking for. As well as any electronic copies, passwords, and any other evidence relating to her disappearance.

Josh Powell (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): I had nothing to do with Susan’s disappearance. So, I’m not concerned about what they’re here for or whether they’re staying.

Dave Cawley: He drove south out of his dad’s neighborhood and into the neighboring community of Graham, where he stopped at Frontier Park and then called Michael. Michael’s first question was if Josh had copies of the journals saved in a safe location.

“Of course,” Josh said.

“Hey Josh, you may get a big settlement out of this thing,” Michael said. “These cops are getting sloppier and sloppier. You may be able to sue these people.”

Here, Josh conferenced Steve in on the call with Michael. Steve suggested $10 million would be a good number to go for. Josh was preoccupied though. He’d spotted a helicopter circling overhead and wondered if someone were following him. Michael said he’d even received a call from a Salt Lake Tribune reporter, the same one who’d questioned Steve about Kiirsi Hellewell’s blog. It had spooked him. He wasn’t sure how she’d even found his number. Maybe, Michael said, the police had given it to her. Then, he realized Minneapolis police might be headed for his condo right that minute. He went right to work making a backup of his computer and shuttling personal papers out to his car.

Josh’s call waiting beeped. It was Shelley Osterloh, the Dateline producer. Josh answered. He told Shelley he was ok. He had not been arrested.

“I don’t care if they take me,” Josh said. “They owe it to me to arrest me and let me have my day in court. I am talking about the entire investigation. I want them to show everything they have. The less they have on you, the more they [expletive] with you.”

The warrant raid had blown up Josh and Shelley’s schedule for the Dateline interview that afternoon, but he told her where she could find him. They met up early that evening. Steve, meantime, was talking to Michael as he continued to drive toward home.

“We are a year and nine months in and the police failed at finding Susan because they have not been trying. They have not devoted [expletive] to the investigation,” Michael said.

Then, Michael switched focus to talking about his brother.

“I don’t know what the [expletive] is going on with Josh. Remember when this [expletive] first happened and Josh was quiet and distracted? That made us nervous because he was not talking about what was going on. When there is a crisis, he becomes non-communicative.”

Steve told Michael that Alina was going to call the ACLU and tell them the police were attacking their family and trying to suppress their voice.

“It could be the Mormon church that is bankrolling this,” Steve added. “We need to figure out how to get the journals out there.”

“What’s going on with Josh,” Michael asked. “You know he keeps calling me and then he just sits there quietly. He just plays with the boys and he doesn’t say anything. He is [expletive] around and dropping calls. I just can’t talk to him.”

As if summoned, Josh dialed Steve right then. Steve conferenced him in with Michael. Josh asked where Steve was, but Steve said he did not want to say over the phone.

“Our phones have GPS and they could track us,” Josh said. “If they want it, they got it. They know exactly where I am at, too.”

Josh agreed with the idea of enlisting the help of the ACLU.

“Who wants to take on the corrupt police department,” Josh asked rhetorically before adding, “They will never arrest me.”

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Dave Cawley: In another call later that evening, Michael told his dad he’d left his condo and probably wouldn’t return that night. It wasn’t safe. Michael told Steve not to do what his gut was telling him to do. Don’t talk to any reporters. Michael said they should only talk to achieve a specific goal.

“Just because you’re angry is not how to do it,” Michael said. “Nobody needs to know anything about this. Let’s not say anything until we speak to an attorney. I get dropped every time some [expletive] media person calls. I get dropped. Put the [expletive] brakes on everything.”

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Salt Lake defense attorney Greg Skordas questions the wisdom of the man making damaging statements about Susan Powell.

Greg Skordas (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): I don’t see that helping anyone at this point.

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Especially if they might be used by prosecutors if they were to bring charges.

Greg Skordas (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): All those statements can be used in, in some capacity down the road. And all those are recorded. And all those can be part of a case if the government choses to use those.

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Skordas says his advice to both Powells would be to stop talking publicly.

Dave Cawley: Steve told Michael what was happening back at the house was a “family emergency.”

“We have a lot of family emergencies,” Michael said. “How come we have so many family emergencies? If they can do all this [expletive] without trial or evidence, makes me feel like an innocent person cannot defend themselves. Maybe we should all just become criminals and arm ourselves and next time the police come to find something they find a nasty surprise.”

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Dave Cawley: Josh stayed out late that night, interviewing with Dateline’s Keith Morrison. The next morning, he called his boss and told him about the police raid.

Sarah Dallof (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): West Valley police call it the most difficult case anyone in their department has ever experienced. A massive amount of evidence and a trail that lead them to Washington last night. 

Dave Cawley: He explained how detectives had seized his computers, including the one the company had provided. But not to worry. Josh said he’d gone out the night before and purchased a laptop. He’d be back up and running soon.

“I’m sure in time you’ll see all this on the news,” Josh said.

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Josh Powell, calls the search grandstanding by West Valley. Still, he views it as a possible sign that police are considering his theory. That Susan ran away with another man.

Josh Powell (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): It is definitely a different angle than they’ve been purusing.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s boss was understanding, all things considered, and said he’d try to help keep Josh on the payroll. But Josh’s problems just continued to compound. That same morning, Chuck Cox had gone to court.

Sarah Dallof (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): The Cox family filed a restraining order today to block Susan’s journals from being published by the Powell family. They say, they’re pleased the police have them.

Dave Cawley: Later that afternoon, Michael called the house to check on everyone. Alina told him Steve had gone out to run errands, but Josh was at home. Michael asked to talk to him.

“Are you ok,” Michael asked when Josh picked up the phone.

“Yeah,” Josh said. “They know [expletive] well they can’t get me on anything related to Susan’s disappearance. I had nothing to do with it.”

“I don’t even feel safe talking on the phone,” Michael said, to which Josh agreed. But they did not hang up.

After a time, Josh turned to the topic of Steve’s comments about Susan and sexual energy to the Salt Lake Tribune reporter.

“I can’t believe he thinks this is ok or acceptable on any level,” Josh said. “Do you think this is ok?”

“Personally,” Michael said, “I don’t give a [expletive].”

“I can’t believe it,” Josh said. “This is the worst thing that has come out this whole time.”

“This is why I don’t keep a journal,” Michael said a bit later in the conversation.

Sam Penrod (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Steven Powell told reporters earlier this morning he is relieved West Valley police confiscated his personal journals. While admitting they contain embarrassing entries, he believes his journals will back up his claims that Susan Powell was romantically interested in him. 

Dave Cawley: “I know that Susan wants the journals published,” Josh said.

Here, Michael stopped his brother.

“You shouldn’t say to the judge what Susan thinks,” Michael said. “It makes you look like a jackass.”

“I’m not quite the dummy they say I am,” Josh said.

He went on to discuss his computer passwords, as if to prove the point, saying it was funny police were still trying to crack encryption on devices of his they’d taken almost two years earlier. He explained how he’d used long, unguessable passwords. A 20-character password, he said, was “virtually uncrackable.”

“Even if I knew my [expletive] passwords,” Josh said, “The police don’t have a right to make me tell.”

Bill Merritt (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): He is the only person that we need to talk to, that we still have questions for. We still need to interview. He is the only person that has not cooperated with us to the extent that we have everything that we need. 

Dave Cawley: That night, on something of a whim, Josh decided to skip town. A bit after midnight he loaded his sleepy sons into their carseats and drove off to go camping down south near Mount Saint Helens. He didn’t bother telling Steve about this. So, on the morning of Saturday, August 27^th, 2011, Steve awoke to find Josh and the boys gone. In a panic, he wondered if Josh might’ve been arrested during the night. Charlie and Braden, he feared, might already be in the hands of police or, worse yet, the Coxes. He soon learned Josh and the boys were fine.

Around noon, Steve called Michael and told him about Josh’s camping trip.

“[Expletive] him,” Michael said.

Michael wanted to know if his brother had dragged the media along for the trip. Josh had not, hoping to keep the outing private. Steve, not realizing this or not caring, had blabbed to a TV reporter from Utah about Josh going camping at midnight as, Steve said, Josh often did. Alina ratted out Steve about this when Josh called home early that same afternoon.

“That’s going to look stupid, like I’m just doing this for a show,” Josh said. “People are going think this is [expletive].”

Alina did not want to hear Josh whine. She told her brother she was going to hang up.

“Tell dad to quit saying that [expletive] in the media,” Josh said.

Alina told Josh that Steve had said it jokingly. Then, she made good on the threat and hung up on him.

Josh spent one more night out with the boys. Then, on the morning of Sunday, August 28^th, 2011, he phoned home while driving back toward Puyallup. Steve answered and apologized for telling the reporter about the camping trip. Steve took his contrition even farther. He said he needed to tell Josh about something the police had found in his bedroom.

“What are they going to find in your journal,” Josh asked.

Steve said he wasn’t sure. Mostly stuff that would show he was obsessed with Susan.

“For all these years,” Josh asked.

“Yes,” Steve replied. “She did things to titillate me.”

Josh agreed with this assessment, calling Susan a “seductress.” But he added he’d only ever seen her go to the point of mild flirtation, not all-out adultery. Like, for instance, the time nearly 10 years before when she’d invited Steve to feel her freshly waxed legs.

“I’ve had chicks do that to me before,” Josh said.

He had even documented one such encounter in his audio journals, describing a time when he and Susan were engaged and she was over at his apartment.

Josh Powell (from March 6, 2001 audio journal recording): Then I got here and Susan was sitting on the couch which was kind of unusual. She usually meets me at the door. She had a blanket on her. Turns out, she’d just waxed her legs. She was waiting for me to get home so she could show me. Discretely, of course.

Dave Cawley: Josh wasn’t understanding. Steve worried police might find reason in his journals to arrest him.

“What do you mean,” Josh asked.

Steve said they should wait until he got home to talk about it, a tacit acknowledgement someone else might be listening.

“I can’t believe what I’m hearing,” Josh said.

“I can’t believe what I’m saying,” Steve replied.

Josh tried to give his dad the benefit of the doubt, figuring it wasn’t as big a deal as he was making it out to be. It’s not like Steve had done anything illegal, right? Steve seized on this line of thought. Right! If anything, his obsession showed he cared for Susan, maybe even more than Josh. It exonerated him. Whatever had happened to Susan, it was her own fault. Here, Steve mentioned how Jennifer, his first child and Josh’s older sister, had as young woman occasionally walked around the house in her underwear.

“I hope you didn’t write anything incriminating about Jennifer,” Josh said.

“No,” Steve replied.

I have read Steve’s journals. And he did write an entry on May 19^th, 2005, describing a Sunday at least a decade earlier, before Steve had divorced his wife Terri. Steve had approached Jennifer while her mother was at church.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 19, 2005 journal entry): I came into the family room and saw Jenny in the little sewing nook, working on something. She had her back to me, so I looked carefully and saw that she had nothing on except bra and pantyhose. … I walked up behind her for a closer look, to see what she was doing and what she was wearing.

Dave Cawley: Steve went on to write about what’d gone through his mind as Jennifer had modeled the clothing she’d been making. Those thoughts do not need to be repeated here.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 19, 2005 journal entry): Suddenly the spell was broken when her mother arrived home from church. … That was my one and only truly erotic experience with Jenny.

Dave Cawley: Back to the phone call between Josh and his dad. Steve vaguely characterized these journals entries, telling Josh his sister had titillated him. Steve said he had felt similar feelings while reading through Susan’s childhood journals. If the police published his journals, Steve said, it could jeopardize everything. At this, Josh became angry. Not so much at what his father had thought or said in the past, but at the damage disclosure of those facts could do to Josh’s reputation in the present.

“It’s an invasion of privacy,” he fumed, before reiterating that he really hoped Steve hadn’t written anything sexual about Jennifer.

“I may have described some things about immodesty,” Steve said. He wasn’t sure and couldn’t check now because police had the only copy.

“[Expletive],” Josh said.

Steve again said they shouldn’t talk about this on the phone. But Josh was too irate to let it go. He asked his dad if he’d detailed anything illegal. Steve said he didn’t think so.

“Well there you go again,” Josh replied before calling his dad a “dirty old man.”

“Susan started it,” Steve said, “but I couldn’t stop.”

Steve said maybe he should get a restraining order to block the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office from publishing his journals. Josh called this a bad idea. It would make it look like they were trying to hide something, Josh said. The better approach was to try and get the journals invalidated as evidence.

“They can go [expletive] themselves,” Josh said, referencing the police.

He told Steve he shouldn’t have written all of that stuff. And he said, had he known about the dirty journals, he would’ve approached things differently. But he didn’t hold a grudge against his dad. With that, Josh told Steve he and the boys had arrived home. That’s right, the boys. In case you forgot, Charlie and Braden were in the minivan with Josh. They’d overheard it all.

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Dave Cawley: Minutes later, Steve received a call from his son Michael. The audio blipped, leading Steve to joke police were probably recording their calls. Michael said if so, the cops should stop wasting their time and instead work on trying to find Susan. Of course, police were listening for just that very reason.

Steve put the phone on speaker, allowing Michael to hear both Josh and Alina. The four of them then discussed the search warrant raid. Michael said it had its positives. For one, it’d prompted him to organize and back up all of his data. But Josh wasn’t interested in silver linings. He griped over losing all of his photos and videos of the boys.

Alina Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Do your little dance, Braden.

Josh Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Oh it is a happy dance. That’s your happy dance? Oh, cute boy. Give me a kiss. Charlie.

Charlie Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): (Laughs)

Alina Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Pshhh.

Josh Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Alright Charlie. Is that your happy dance?

Charlie Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Yeah.

Josh Powell (from November 15, 2010 home video recording): Good job. You are my special boy and I love you.

Dave Cawley: Then, there was the issue of dad’s journals. Josh had spent a few minutes thinking this over had come around on the topic. The journals, he said, would actually help ruin the public perception of Susan. He called her a “deviant,” but blamed that on her dad, Chuck Cox. Josh said Susan was a victim. At this, Steve chimed in he too was a victim.

“Let’s blame it all on the Mormons,” Josh said.

Then, Josh asked his dad if he’d ever written anything about raping Susan.

“No,” Steve said. “Just some touching.”

Josh and Alina agreed this was fine. They talked about pornography, the issue raised by Kiirsi Hellewell’s blog, with Alina saying she’d had issues about seeing male nudity until she was in her 20s. Josh too said it had taken him years to appreciate porn. Remember, this conversation was happening within earshot of Charlie and Braden.

As Steve went about shredding documents, Michael told his dad and brother they needed to stop talking to reporters.

“I have to sit here 1,700 miles away and listen to what you guys are going to say next.”

Michael said they’d overplayed their hand, telegraphing their moves to the police through the media. Now, their argument that the investigation was a hit job by the Mormons was worthless. The story was now about Steve and an affair.

Sam Penrod (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Susan Powell’s parents kept their emotions in check when told of these latest claims made by Steven Powell. Still they are very disturbed by Powell’s comments and say their daughter told them her father-in-law made unwanted advances.

Dave Cawley: Josh chimed in, voicing his frustration with Steve, saying he shouldn’t have talked publicly about his feelings for Susan. Doing so had put Charlie and Braden at risk.

Richard Piatt (from August 25, 2011 KSL TV archive): Susan’s friend and daycare provider, Debbie Caldwell, thinks about Susan’s two sons as police again search a place they’re calling home.

Dave Cawley: Michael told Josh he was just as much to blame. In fact, even more so than Steve. They’d both “got their [expletive] kicked” in the media.

Dan Medwed (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): It’s an unusual case.

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Dan Medwed, a former public defender now University of Utah law professor says he’s never seen a case like it. A woman missing for months, her husband mostly silent, then both the husband, a person of interest, and his father start making comments alleging the woman was promiscuous.

Dave Cawley: “If you lose on one battle ground, you can lose the [expletive] war. It’s now a lost cause,” Michael said.

John Daley (from August 26, 2011 KSL TV archive): Medwed says he’s baffled by the comments, which he says lowers credibility and raises suspicions about both men, potentially turning scrutiny away from Josh Powell to his father. 

Dave Cawley: So what should they do from here, Josh asked. Michael said not to say or do anything until they could take their fight into the courtroom. This was advise Steve wasn’t sure he could take. He told Michael he wanted to get out in front of the journals in media. Maybe, he suggested, they could spin it into some kind of attack on the Mormons. Michael told his dad the police had conned him into violating himself. He couldn’t spin it. When Steve insisted he could, Michael became frustrated.

“I don’t want to keep cleaning up for you and Josh,” he said. “So instead of worrying about this, let’s focus on the legal battles.”

Michael said as upset as they all were over the search warrant, they’d feel even more angry if they lost in court.

“[Expletive] the media,” Michael said. “And you and Josh both.”

Within a year and a half of that phone call, Steve Powell would be in prison and Michael, Josh, Charlie and Braden Powell would all be dead.

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(Sound of court hallway)

Dave Cawley: In February of 2020, I flew from Utah to Washington to attend the opening of the civil trial between Chuck and Judy Cox and the Washington Department of Social and Health Services. The Coxes had received instructions from their attorneys not to talk to the media. We made eye contact across the hall as I entered Pierce County Superior Court, but did not speak.

Their lawsuit centered on claims of negligence on the part of the DSHS case workers who’d taken Charlie and Braden into protective custody in September of 2011, just a few weeks after the phone calls I’ve just described. In opening arguments, Cox family attorney Ted Buck told the jury of 11 men and one woman that the social workers had ignored their policies and training by failing to perform domestic violence screening.

Ted Buck (from February 18, 2020 KSL TV archive): The state utterly failed to do that assessment. Instead, when they got to the point where there was a question, “is there any domestic violence question here,” they checked “no.”

Dave Cawley: The attorneys for the state — Lori Nicolavo and Joseph Diaz — disputed this, arguing Josh Powell’s murder of his children could not have been foreseen or prevented.

Lori Nicolavo (from February 18, 2020 KSL TV archive): West Valley PD had no evidence that would support that Josh would harm his boys. And that’s the question we’re looking at.

Dave Cawley: The trial was scheduled to run for a month. The state was partway through its defense when, in mid-March, a pandemic put the whole thing on pause. And so, Susan’s parents went back to waiting. Four months passed before, in mid-July, the Washington Supreme Court cleared the way for the trial to resume. Judge Stanley Rumbaugh called the jurors back into service.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 9, 2020 court recording): Game on. Monday. 9 o’clock. Room 100.

Dave Cawley: At a time when millions of Americans were still facing uncertainty over their jobs, housing and health, these jurors answered the call. They came back with masks. They sat socially distanced. They picked up their legal pads, full of months-old notes, and once again listened.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 14, 2020 court recording): Alright, please be seated. Good morning ladies and gentlemen.

Jurors (from July 14, 2020 court recording): Good morning.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 14, 2020 court recording): You’ve gotta shout it out, ok?

Jurors (from July 14, 2020 court recording): Good morning.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 14, 2020 court recording): Ok.

Dave Cawley: While working on Cold, I’d reached out to Washington’s child protective services agency in the hopes of interviewing the myriad of social workers who’d touched Charlie and Braden’s case. An agency spokeswoman asked me to submit written questions, which I did.

Then, radio silence. She never responded. I never was able to interview the social workers. So I found it fascinating to hear from people like Rocky Stephenson, the CPS investigator who’d been tasked with looking into claims of negligence leveled against Josh.

Rocky Stephenson (from July 16, 2020 court recording): Just a statement that he was a person of interest in a missing persons, uh, uh, that’s relevant, uh, and relevant to the safety of the children but, y’know, Mr. Powell still had all of his rights intact. He hadn’t been charged, he wasn’t really even a suspect in a murder investigation.

Dave Cawley: That, we know, was incorrect. Josh was, at that time, the sole suspect.

Rocky Stephenson (from July 16, 2020 court recording): Just because a person’s a, a, a person of interest doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re not going to treat them with all fairness and respect like we would everybody else.

Dave Cawley: And Paula Strickland, a social worker contracted by the state after CPS placed Charlie and Braden with Susan’s parents. Her job was to help Chuck and Judy Cox adjust to parenting two rambunctious little boys.

Paula Strickland (from July 23, 2020 court recording): Regardless of what anyone thinks, these kids loved their dad and — particularly, Charlie was very verbal about wanting to be with this dad — and they were angry. And they were scared. And we had sent them to the grandparents who they had heard a lot of negative things about.

Dave Cawley: Paula had had repeated interactions with both Charlie and Braden during the months between their seizure by the state and their deaths at the hands of their father. She described how, in her view, the boys had been programmed by Josh to hate and fear their maternal grandparents.

Paula Strickland (from July 23, 2020 court recording): Their dad had told them that, y’know, grandma and grandpa, y’know, were bad people, that they had abused their mother, that they had stolen her journal, that Mormons are bad people, that they destroy families. So there had been a lot of this sort of programming of these negative thoughts.

Dave Cawley: And as Paula was sharing these insights with the jurors, I was reading the secret wiretap transcripts that revealed just how right she was. In one conversation between Josh and Michael, Josh had bragged about how then four-year-old Braden had told him “daddy, [expletive] the Mormons.” In another recording, Josh told six-year-old Charlie that Chuck and Judy just wanted to control him.

“When Chuck Cox is out of our lives,” Josh had said, “you’ll make more friends because Chuck Cox is abusive.”

In yet another call, Josh explained how he’d taught his sons that the Coxes were “predators.”

“I have coached them,” Josh said.

Paula Strickland (from July 23, 2020 court recording): So a lot of the work that grandma and grandpa had to do was regain these kids’ trust and help them feel safe so they could settle down. And, y’know, that’s really when I say adjustment what I mean, is helping these kids find safety again when we had rocked their world.

Dave Cawley: I’m not going to go through a blow-by-blow of the trial here. But I will mention assistant Washington attorney general Joseph Diaz in closing arguments re-iterated the state’s view that at the time of Charlie and Braden being taken into protective custody, it was not a case of domestic violence.

Joseph Diaz (from July 29, 2020 court recording): This was not a domestic violence case. And as much as the plaintiffs want to make it so, it’s not. … Mr. Powell is the sole cause of the murder of his sons. It was not due to any negligence by the state of Washington.

Dave Cawley: The jurors began their deliberations on the morning of Thursday, July 30^th, 2020. The following afternoon, Judge Rumbaugh announced they’d reached a verdict.

Stanley Rumbaugh (from July 31, 2020 court recording): Question one: was the state of Washington negligent? Answer: yes. Question two: was such negligence a proximate cause of injury to the plaintiffs? Answer: yes.

Dave Cawley: The jurors calculated damages at $57.5 million dollars for each child. They assigned Josh responsibility for $8,245,000 of that, again for each child. Doing the math, the jury’s judgement against the state worked out to roughly $98.5 million. Chuck Cox, sounded relieved when I spoke to him over Zoom a couple of hours later.

Chuck Cox: Yeah, well I’m still in shock, so. (Laughs) We’ll see. Like I say, I’m just kind of waiting for the next thing and, whatever. 

Dave Cawley: The testimony had included hours of detailed descriptions of Charlie and Braden’s injuries. The big question was how long had each suffered between the start of the attack and the actual moment of death.

Chuck Cox: It was very hard. It was very, I left the rooms at, at times. … And they had their expert that said, “Oh yeah, as soon as you’re unconscious then you don’t feel anything.” Our Dr. Wecht said, “absolutely not, there’s been studies on it.” They’re saying “well, if you’re conscious, y’know, how do you know?” Well, these boys swallowed gasoline and that meant they must have been conscious ‘cause you cannot swallow if you’re unconscious.

Dave Cawley: Chuck offered thanks to his legal team — attorneys Anne Bremner, Ted Buck and Evan Bariault — for their handling of the difficult material. This fight, however, is not over. Weeks after the jury’s verdict, the state attorneys asked Judge Rumbaugh to overrule the high-dollar award, or grant a new trial. At a hearing on that motion on the very day of this episode’s release, Rumbaugh said the jury’s verdict had shocked the conscience of the court. He slashed the damages by two thirds, from nearly $100 million to just under $33 million.

Chuck told me afterward it was an insult to the jury and he intends to continue fighting for the safety of children.

Chuck Cox: We’ve done all that we can to help other people with children in care of DSHS. … That’s, that’s a positive outcome out of the tragedy. And there’s not much else you can do with it, because you can’t bring them back.

Dave Cawley: Josh Powell went to court in Tacoma, Washington on the first day of February, 2012. He wore a jacket, a blue shirt and tie and carried a crumpled brown paper sack from a FedEx Office copy center. It contained a typed statement for the court. This is what Josh wrote.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 1, 2012 statement): Having demonstrated my fitness as a parent, it is time for my sons to come home.

Dave Cawley: Josh had lost custody of his sons Charlie and Braden four months earlier, after police raided the South Hill home he shared with his father. Detectives were looking for evidence related to the unsolved disappearance of Josh’s wife Susan. Instead, they’d found his father’s stash of voyeur videos.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 1, 2012 statement): I was living with him at the time, however, within the first month, I established my own home and I have consistently proven my fitness as a stable and loving parent.

Dave Cawley: In court, Josh’s attorney Jeff Bassett told judge Kathryn Nelson his client had done everything she’d asked of him.

Jeff Basset (from February 1, 2012 KSL TV archive): He has been nothing if, uh, if, if not cooperative to the entire, uh, everything that’s been asked of him in this case.

Dave Cawley: Josh’d even gone so far as to endure a psychological evaluation.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 1, 2012 statement): I have proven myself as a fit and loving father who provides a stable home even in the face of great adversity.

Dave Cawley: Not so fast. Assistant Washington Attorney General John Long told the court police in West Valley City, Utah had just shared concerning new evidence.

John Long (from February 1, 2012 KSL TV archive): Based on some information that’s been provided, uh, by a criminal, uh, investigation, a judge overseeing the criminal investigation. Uh, I think it’s clear, uh, from that court order that these, uh, can be linked to, uh, Mister Powell.

Dave Cawley: No one came right out and said it in open court that day, but the evidence in question was a set of nearly 400 pornographic images. They were digital files, most of them small thumbnails. The majority were cartoons, showing characters from animated TV series, often depicting children and adults together. Detectives and the FBI had found the thumbnails on a computer taken out of Josh and Susan’s house in Utah, the day after she disappeared in December of 2009.

In court documents, police said the images belonged to Josh. They were wrong.

This is a bonus episode of Cold: Project Sunlight. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: Let’s go back again to Judge Kathryn Nelson’s chambers in Pierce County Superior Court on February 1^st, 2012. Josh Powell’s attorney Jeff Bassett pushed back against the claim of new evidence against his client. He wondered why detectives were only then raising the issue. If the cartoon pictures were so bad, he asked, why hadn’t police just arrested Josh when they’d first found them?

Jeff Basset (from February 1, 2012 KSL TV archive): And I just think that we are allowing ourselves to be manipulated from outside sources on this case without cause.

Dave Cawley: Detective Ellis Maxwell, the lead investigator on the Susan Powell case, wasn’t in court that day. But he told me he’d tried to secure charges against Josh on those images. Prosecutors would not go for it.

Ellis Maxwell: I’m sure a lot of people were wondering, going “ok, well they’ve had this for several years but now they’re going to introduce it now.” Well that’s why.

Dave Cawley: Police also considered the images contraband, illegal to possess or view.

Ellis Maxwell: And so we had to go through the courts here and they made an exception to release the evidence to the State of Washington for review purposes and it was very specific to where only the judge and the attorney and the social workers and, y’know, it was a small scope, and I think one detective.

Dave Cawley: The judge’s order did not allow Josh to see the images. But it did grant permission for forensic psychologist James Manley to review them.

James Manley: The overall, umm, tone of these were incestuous.

Dave Cawley: James’d already delivered a report about Josh’s parenting capacity to the court in Washington. After viewing the images, he had new concerns. So, James authored a follow-up.

James Manley: I went down to the police station, talked with the guardian ad litem and the detective and the attorney general. Decided, it didn’t take much to decide but we entered a request or petition to the court for a psychosexual evaluation.

Dave Cawley: On the one side, Judge Nelson had Josh making the case for reunification. On the other side stood police, prosecutors and a psychologist, all arguing Josh might not be a safe father, based on these thumbnail images of cartoon incest pornography. Josh, for his part, seemed to make a vague reference to the pictures in his own typed statement to the court that day. He wrote:

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 1, 2012 statement): I have recently heard rumblings that some people are dipping deep down to the bottom of the barrel in a desperate effort to find and manufacture fault with me due to their attitudes.

Dave Cawley: The word “manufacture” there is significant. Josh seemed to imply that he believed police had fabricated the new evidence. His protest didn’t sway the judge. She told Josh he was not getting his boys back that day. Instead, Judge Nelson ordered him to take the psychosexual evaluation. You know what happened next. Days after the court hearing, Josh murdered his sons and killed himself.

Gary Sanders: When he was not only not given custody but then the stipulations that they put on him, the psychosexual and some other things, I think  he, that kind of cracked him.

Chuck Cox: The psychosexual evaluation was the end of the road for him. Because, with the revelation that, y’know, he had these pictures on his computer…

Anne Bremner: It’s explicit and it’s of concern. It’s very, very disturbing and so that was something else that they knew about him. And that was found by the West Valley police on his computer.

Dave Cawley: Only, I can now tell you, it wasn’t Josh’s computer. I’ve discovered that the computer in question belonged to Susan.

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Dave Cawley: Let’s step backward in time to examine how I made this discovery and what it means about ownership of those pornographic images.

Susan Powell sent an email to an old friend on Christmas Eve, 2008, a little less than a year before her disappearance. In it, she vented about the rocky state of her marriage, expressing despair over its dysfunction. She also wrote that Josh didn’t allow her to go online with his computers.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from December 24, 2008 email): I love Facebook and Josh is still convinced using it or anything else on the web, automatically uploads evil and doesn’t trust me with most of his computers.

Dave Cawley: The only computer Josh allowed Susan to use at home was a Compaq brand iPaq, by then a nine-yearold model. In a July, 2009 Facebook message, she told another old friend the Compaq computer wasn’t all that useful.

Kristin Sorensen (as Susan Powell from July 13, 2009 Facebook message): The crappy computer I have access to at home is soo old and slow that I literally log into fb, walk away, click profile, walk away because it takes so long to load.

Dave Cawley: Josh, on the other hand, used multiple computers. He’d built a custom tower complete with a RAID array. Susan mentioned that machine in her July 2008 video documenting the family’s assets.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): Here’s the kinds of pimping out stuff he’s done to his computer, he built it himself.

Dave Cawley: Josh also had a work-issued laptop that he often used around the house. But he didn’t seem to think his wife had much need for a computer of her own. 

Linda Bagley: The control that uh, Josh had over her, he wouldn’t let her do certain things.

Dave Cawley: In a July, 2009 email, Susan told her work friend Linda Bagley the only task Josh allowed her to use a computer for was tracking her spending.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from July 27, 2009 email): Having every year down to the penny of totals of each category is a priority with my husband and not me.

Dave Cawley: For years, Josh’d tasked Susan with scanning his documents. Susan told Linda doing Josh’s data entry was a waste of time. She wrote:

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from July 27, 2009 email to Linda Bagley): I enter on each receipt … if it was clothing for Josh, clothing for Susan, accessories for Susan, toiletries for Susan, shoes, cosmetics … groceries is broken down to listening each item or describing if it was produce, frozen, shelf stable foods, incidentals like batteries or non-consumables. … We categorize diapers versus wipes versus diaper ointment versus children’s clothing, children books, children toys, children movies etcetera, etcetera.

Dave Cawley: Susan begged Josh for a better computer throughout 2009. He kept telling her he would build her one, but never did.

Linda Bagley: It was always the best for him and the least they could do for her, but yet she earned as much or more income than he did.

Dave Cawley: Finally, at the end of August, the Compaq iPaq died. Susan felt cut off from her friends and family and she resorted to sneaking onto Facebook at the office. She told a coworker in an email she feared those internet sessions might cost her her job.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from September 12, 2009 Facebook message): I just found out, they might be doing “final warnings” and firing people for using “non work related websites.” … I value my job more than email. … I guess, let’s go back to the stone age of cell phones.

Dave Cawley: The solution had been staring Susan in the face for months. She knew of a family that had shut down an in-home business earlier in the year. That family owned several computers they no longer needed. Susan decided to buy one, without telling Josh. That presented a problem, though. At that time, Josh and Susan had only one car.

Linda Bagley: She didn’t get the car, it was him unless he didn’t have the, unless he had the day off maybe or something. It was always him.

Dave Cawley: So on September 18^th, 2009, Susan asked her daycare provider Debbie Caldwell to swing by in her Mazda Miata. When Debbie showed up, Susan plopped down into the passenger seat and told Debbie where to go. That night, Susan bought a computer of her own for $100.

In the interest of full disclosure I should mention I know who sold Susan that computer. At this time, I’m opting not to report that detail.

Josh flipped out when he found out about Susan’s purchase.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from September 18, 2009 email): Josh immediately pounced on the computer … I told him it was my computer and not to mess with it.

Dave Cawley: The computer was a Dell OptiPlex GX270, far from top of the line. But Susan told her coworkers in this email that it was enough.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from September 18, 2009 email): It does what I need and that’s all I care about. I explained I wanted to do Facebook, Hotmail, PBS.org and let the kids watch movies and such.

Dave Cawley: Susan didn’t want her computer downstairs in the office, where Josh kept his computer. Instead, she cleared space in a small upstairs bedroom. And that is exactly where West Valley City police detectives found it less than three months later, when they entered the house with a search warrant.

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Dave Cawley: The Dell computer next ended up at the FBI’s Intermountain West Regional Computer Forensics Lab, along with all of the rest of the digital evidence in the Powell case. I talked about the RCFL’s work in episode 12. As a refresher though, here’s FBI Supervisory Special Agent Cheney Eng-Tow.

Cheney Eng-Tow: The software we use goes in and retrieves deleted files, files that are in this so-called like unallocated space that the computer knows can use now. So we’re able to pull stuff that’s deleted and things like that.

Dave Cawley: That’s exactly where investigators found almost all of the cartoon pornography: in unallocated space on the Dell computer’s hard drive. The images had been deleted, likely as part of an automatic purge of web browser cache files. In other words, someone had visited a website hosting the images but had probably not explicitly downloaded copies of them.

Typically, computer files carry metadata that can tell you things like when the file was created, modified or last accessed. Forensic examiners can use that metadata to determine when files were downloaded from the internet. But that’s not always the case with deleted files. They’re often stripped of metadata. This presented a problem for West Valley police. When they and the FBI discovered the cartoon incest pornography in 2010, they opened a new case in the hopes of securing federal child pornography charges against Josh. Police records show a detective even screened the case with an assistant U.S. Attorney. But the AUSA refused to charge, pointing out that police could not prove Josh was the person who’d accessed the explicit cartoons.

The police, FBI and prosecutors all missed something, something that I recently discovered: a timestamp showing when at least some of those cartoon porn images were accessed. I need to take a second and explain how I discovered this. When the RCFL finished its work on the Dell computer’s hard drive, it turned over copies of its findings to West Valley police.

Cheney Eng-Tow: We provide an archive of all of the work that we do. … We also generate a digital report for them. That report will have all of the files that were deemed pertinent.

Dave Cawley: Deemed pertinent. That means the report only included copies of a subset of all of the files found by the forensic software. Now, I have a copy of this report. Reviewing it, I discovered that one of the explicit cartoons still held metadata. It showed the image had last been accessed on March 20^th, 2009. That’s six months before the Dell desktop ever entered the Powell house.

That’s not all. The report also included a database indicating all of the files that the forensic software had been able to see. It did not include copies of every file, but you can use the database to see stuff like file names, sizes, metadata and the location where the file had been stored on the file system’s directory.

I know this is all really dull, but just stick with me here. Knowing the date and time from the metadata on that one cartoon image, I was able to find references in the database to several internet cookie files from cartoon pornography websites. They were created just before 1 a.m. on March 22^nd, 2009. Again, six months before the Dell computer ever entered the Powell house. The prior owner had failed to wipe the hard drive when selling it to Susan.

This fact carries significant implications. It means neither Josh nor Susan could have been the person who downloaded the cartoon pornography. And because of that, the judge’s order that Josh undergo a psychosexual evaluation, an order that many people close to the case say broke Josh just days before the murder-suicide, was based on flawed information.

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Dave Cawley: Josh was in a hurry. It was February 3^rd, 2009. He and Susan were making final preparations for a vacation to Washington. They planned to spend the better part of a month visiting their families and old friends in the state where they had first met and fallen in love. Before leaving their home in Utah, Josh wanted to finalize the legal trust he’d been working on with an attorney. He was becoming frustrated because the lawyer wasn’t responding to his messages. He complained to Susan about it in this email.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 3, 2009 email to Susan Powell): I can make a generic trust with that software program just to have something done before leaving.

Dave Cawley: Susan replied with an email of her own, urging her husband to worry about it later.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from February 3, 2009 email to Josh Powell): Seriously push for generic for now, we don’t need him delaying our entire vacation.

Dave Cawley: More practical concerns were forefront in Susan’s mind. She needed to find someone to watch their pet parrot, Triley, while they were gone.

(Sound of parrot squawking and Josh saying “hello” from undated home video recording)

Dave Cawley: Susan talked her sister-in-law Jennifer Graves into serving as the bird babysitter. But Josh just couldn’t shake his fixation with the trust.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 3, 2009 email to Susan Powell): Let’s plan to go over the language in detail while driving the bird to Jenny’s.

Dave Cawley: Susan made clear she wanted the legal stuff off Josh’s plate as soon as possible.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from February 3, 2009, work email to Josh Powell): I’m really really obsessed with the idea of leaving thursday early am to arrive by dinner so if that trust works-good.

Dave Cawley: The looming 15 hour drive didn’t seem to concern Josh much.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 3, 2009 email to Susan Powell): I also need to work on backing up data. I think I finally have a workable plan, but it will take time to process the files. I better start the process before leaving for Jenny’s.

Dave Cawley: Several months earlier, Josh had purchased a one terabyte Western Digital brand “My Book World Edition” external hard drive. He kept it in his basement office, connected to their home network by way of an ethernet cable. Susan even mentioned that hard drive in the video she made documenting the family’s assets in July of 2008.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): And this is some type of backup device. It says WD on the side. I don’t know, it like shares the information somehow.

Dave Cawley: Josh’d come up with a method of syncing copies of his files from each of his computers to the external hard drive, over the home network.

West Valley City police detectives took the My Book World Edition hard drive when they raided Josh and Susan’s home with a search warrant the day after she disappeared. The same day they took Susan’s Dell desktop. Like the Dell, the My Book World hard drive ended up at the RCFL. But investigators couldn’t manage to get anything off of it. Josh’s network backup was locked with encryption. That encrypted hard drive is one of the last persisting mysteries in the Powell case. And for the first time, we have a clue of just what secrets it might hold.

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Dave Cawley: Earlier in this episode, I mentioned Josh’s homebuilt computer tower. It’s the one with the RAID array that was in the basement office of the Sarah Circle house.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): I think there’s like five hard drives, something about doing RAIDS. There’s those for all of the computer geeks.

Dave Cawley: Again, that is Susan’s voice from the video she made documenting her assets in the summer of 2008.

Josh’s RAID array computer also ended up at the FBI’s computer lab after Susan disappeared, but it didn’t appear to hold much in the way of evidence. Investigators flagged some family photos on it, as well as a single file named “vvdb1NetworkEncrypted.tdb.”

I have a copy of this file. At first, I couldn’t make much of it. I didn’t recognize the file format. A little Googling suggested it was probably some kind of database. But without knowing what program created it, there was little chance of viewing it. Maybe, I figured, something might show up if I tried to open the file as text. When I did, it revealed a single, extremely long line of letters, numbers and foreign language symbols. Almost incomprehensible.

Some dictionary words and even short phrases did jump out, but those foreign characters made it impossible to get a clean read. Scrolling what seemed endlessly toward the right, my eyes started to lose focus. That’s when it happened. A pattern began to emerge. The random placement of these foreign characters wasn’t actually random. On a hunch, I replaced all of those foreign characters with line breaks. That unreadable string of long text transformed into a neat list. Scrolling vertically then, I could see the list was roughly 70-thousand lines long. Each line was a discrete reference to an individual file.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): We’ve got all sorts of files, this is all thanks to me trying to save them.

Dave Cawley: These were file paths. The very first line read “ViceVersa synchronization tracking.” ViceVersa is a file backup app.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): There’s some tapes and DVDs and stuff to back up all the computer geek stuff, our family photos and financial information and…

Dave Cawley: I soon learned the .tdb file extension was short for tracking database. So the file I was looking at was how ViceVersa kept track of which items to synchronize. It was a log of what was copied from where, to where. The source, where the original files were copied from, and the target, where they were copied to, were both represented in the list. Looking through the database, I could see the source was called “tempbackupunorganized.” The target volume carried the name “mybookworld.”

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): My Book Work, World Edition. I think that’s the stuff I was looking at earlier that saves information.

Dave Cawley: That means the ViceVersa database file is very likely the table of contents to Josh’s encrypted hard drive.

A few takeaways were evident when I started studying the ViceVersa database file. Josh tended to keep his documents well organized, in a series of nested folders. They had orderly names like business, education, finances, insurance, housing and so on. Each individual file carried a descriptive name.

Many of the files and folders also included exact dates in their names. The formatting was always the same: four digit year, two digit month, two digit day. Josh’s documents dated as far back as the early 90s, when he was a teenager. The most recent files dated to September of 2009, three months before Susan’s disappearance.

Perhaps most important, I recognized some of the files. In fact, I already had copies of some of them, like Josh’s audio journals.

Josh Powell (from March 3, 2001 audio journal recording): So I went home, started working on my computer again. I pretty much need my computer for every aspect of my life right now.

Dave Cawley: But my copies of Josh’s journals came from hard drives West Valley police seized from Steve Powell’s house and Josh’s safe deposit box in Washington in 2011.

Josh Powell (from March 2, 2001 audio journal recording): Today I got up and started working on my computer. I decided better get Windows 98 installed on it so I can start using my scanner and stuff again.

Dave Cawley: So how did Josh have copies of those files in Washington in 2011, if police had seized all of his digital data from the Sarah Circle house in Utah right after Susan disappeared in 2009?

Josh Powell (from March 5, 2001 audio journal recording): None of this technology stuff is particularly esoteric to me.

Dave Cawley: The simple answer is off-site backups. So where did Josh stash his off-site copy?

Back to those emails Josh and Susan exchanged in February of 2009, before leaving on their road trip to Washington. In one, Josh told Susan he wanted a backup of his computer done before their meeting with the attorney. Here’s what he wrote.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 3, 2009 email to Susan Powell): I really intend to fully backup the computer and bring a copy.

Dave Cawley: Now, I can’t say for sure, but it’s reasonable to believe Josh might’ve placed this copy of his digital archive in a safe deposit box. Or maybe, he left it with a friend. If so, he could’ve retrieved it after Susan disappeared and carried it with him to Washington.

Evidence exists to support this idea. As I just mentioned, the Josh Powell journal files I received from West Valley City during my research for Cold came from devices police’d seized in 2011. But they line up with the ViceVersa database from 2009. The folder structure on Josh’s encrypted backup is almost identical to that of his archive as it appeared two years later. They both derived from the same original source.

That discovery raised an interesting question: could the digital data seized by police in 2011 hold the key to unlocking the My Book World hard drive from 2009? To find out, I’d need the help of someone with access to all of the digital evidence.

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Dave Cawley: At the start of October 2013, Susan’s dad, Chuck Cox, sent an email to West Valley police detective Ellis Maxwell. A man named Richard Hickman from a company called Decipher Forensics had reached out to Chuck, offering to help get into Josh’s encrypted drive.

Richard Hickman: I saw the news story about the hard drives being encrypted and the FBI having a hard time being able to crack the encryption and I thought of the uh, the cryptocurrency mining machines that we had in our office that we also utilized for password breaking for forensics from time to time. And so I thought “well, let’s, let’s reach out. Let’s see if we can maybe just donate some time on our machine.”

Dave Cawley: Richard co-owned Decipher with two other partners, Trent Leavitt and Mike Johnson. They had founded the firm in 2011.

Trent Leavitt: Decipher primarily was a computer forensic and cell phone forensic company. We would handle cases in civil litigation, worked with law enforcement as well, on anything from homicide cases to divorces. Sometimes, they were one in the same. And everything in between: intellectual property theft, employment law, civil litigation of all types.

Dave Cawley: That is Trent. West Valley City had declared the Powell case cold five months earlier. At Chuck’s urging, police reached out to Decipher to see if they could help decrypt the “My Book World” hard drive.

Trent Leavitt: I believe we met with detective Maxwell. Very nice guy, very easy to work with. He was actually very appreciative of our willingness to do this for free and try and move things along and get more answers.

Dave Cawley: Trent told Ellis about the machines they intended to use. Decipher had poured about $14,000 into building them. They were both contained in milk crates.

Richard Hickman: You just have this box, this milk crate box and we, we actually took a piece of wood across the side of it to be able to kind of act as a, like, the shelf. And then we just set down these four really powerful graphics cards that are just gaming graphics cards and hooked ‘em up that way.

Dave Cawley: These milk crates weren’t much to look at but they were necessary because the rigs consumed a lot of power and generated a great deal of heat. It required a full-size fan just to keep them cool.

Trent Leavitt: It generated enough heat in the winter that we would open up our windows and didn’t have to turn on the furnace in our office. It, it literally heated our entire office.

Dave Cawley: Ellis was impressed. He ran the idea up his chain of command and received an ok from the deputy chief. So, in December of 2013, West Valley gave the Decipher team a copy of the MyBookWorld drive. The arrangement came with a condition: Decipher had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. They were not allowed to discuss their work.

Richard Hickman: And we didn’t talk about the fact that we were even doing it with anybody.

Dave Cawley: And, the deal required that they report any discoveries to Ellis.

Trent Leavitt: Anything that we find, per our agreement with West Valley City, y’know, when we originally started this, anything we found was to go back to West Valley City and to go nowhere else.

Dave Cawley: Confidentiality wasn’t an issue for Decipher. It was common practice with almost every case they worked.

Richard Hickman: Talking about a case, especially on camera, it’s weird. It’s very weird. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Trent and Richard are only discussing this now because West Valley City released them from the NDA, at Cold’s request. My thanks to West Valley for that.

Trent, Richard and Mike hooked up Josh’s encrypted drive up to their milk crate rig. They’d decided to run what’s known as a dictionary attack against the encryption.

Richard Hickman: We put together this strategy of combining a whole lot of, umm, password lists from previous data breaches and dumps that’d happened. Hackers will breach a company, they’ll pull their usernames and passwords and then they leak that to the internet. And so, all of those lists are publicly available. And so, we downloaded a lot of these lists of very common passwords. And then we created our own big combined dictionary, applied a whole bunch of rules to it to say “try the original password and then we’re going to swap all the As with @ symbols, Ss with $, Es with 3s, Is with 1s or !s, all of these different combinations. And, y’know, putting a one on the end putting or maybe combining two passwords and it created this massive dictionary that we knew and it, an our software showed was going to take forever to get through. But we thought why not? Let’s give it a try.

Dave Cawley: It didn’t take long before Decipher encountered some initial success. The tool they used for the dictionary attack came across a password.

Trent Leavitt: ap1124. Is that it?

Richard Hickman: Yep.

Trent Leavitt: I don’t know how I remember that, but some things you just don’t forget.

Richard Hickman: Yep.

Trent Leavitt: ap1124.

Dave Cawley: They plugged that six-character string into the encrypted drive, then attempted to access it. There was nothing there. The drive appeared to be empty.

Richard Hickman: With True Crypt, without getting really super technical, you can have multiple layers of encryption.

Dave Cawley: I’ll have more to say about this point in a bit, but for now, it’s enough to know that this discovery meant Decipher had to start all over again. They set the milk crate machines back to work.

Richard Hickman: It ran for a very long time.

Dave Cawley: The code-cracking software ripped through hundreds of millions, then billions of possible password permutations. Heat took its toll on the milk crate machines.

Trent Leavitt: And that thing would run around the clock, 24/7, for months, if not, y’know, close to two years before those things burned up. And still didn’t break it.

Dave Cawley: Ellis retired around that same time and a different detective, David Greco, took over as caretaker of the Powell case. 2016 passed. Still, no break. In August of 2017, detective Greco dropped in on the Decipher office to check up on things. Richard and another member of their team, Kaly Richmond, told him they still had the encrypted drive and were still working on it. They brought him up to speed on their early discovery, in a sort of good news/bad news kind of way.

Trent Leavitt: ap1124. That’s what we have to give you. It means absolutely nothing.

Dave Cawley: Two months later, in October of 2017, a private investigator working for Susan’s parents called Decipher to check in on things. Trent told the P.I., Rose Winquist, he didn’t have much to say. But he let slip they’d discovered a short password that didn’t provide access to any files.

Trent Leavitt: It’s really not a big deal. There’s nothing here.

Dave Cawley: Rose shared this information. I spoke to her on the phone on the night of October 25^th, 2017. She told me then Decipher had decoded a “first layer” on Josh’s encrypted hard drive. At the time, I contacted West Valley police, who confirmed the general thrust of what Rose had said. So, I broke the story on the 10 o’clock news that night.

Dave McCann (from October 25, 2017 KSL TV archive): KSL radio producer Dave Cawley on the phone with us tonight with the latest development and Dave, this has to do with a hard drive.

Dave Cawley (from October 25, 2017 KSL TV archive): It does, Dave. A company called Winquist Investigations is collaborating with Susan Powell’s parents, Chuck and Judy Cox, and they’re working with a Utah company called Decipher Forensics to try and gain access to a copy of one of Josh Powell’s hard drives.

Dave Cawley: I didn’t then understand then that Decipher was working for West Valley, not the Coxes.

Dave Cawley (from October 25, 2017 KSL TV archive): Private investigator Rose Winquist tells KSL they are in need of more resources now to devote to the effort. They’re reaching out to Amazon, hoping the internet giant can use its cloud computing platform to speed up this process.

Dave Cawley: The following day, Rose made the rounds, talking to other local and national media about the encryption.

Rose Winquist (from October 26, 2017 KSL TV archive): This is our biggest hope right now, is, is this computer and the other computers that the police have.

Ladd Eagan (from October 26, 2017 KSL TV archive): Calling it a “potential breakthrough,” a private investigator hired by the parents of Susan Cox Powell hopes a remaining hard drive gives them the clues they need.

Dave Cawley: The brass at West Valley City were not happy. It seemed to them that Decipher had violated the nondisclosure agreement.

Trent Leavitt: I received a phone call from, uh, I’ll just say an official at West Valley City and wanting to know why the press was starting to camp out at the, y’know, the front of the the doors. And I said, “I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Dave Cawley: Trent soon figured it out and went to work attempting to limit the damage.

Trent Leavitt: It violated the trust of another department. In our industry, word gets around pretty quick. When in fact, we didn’t violate the trust, someone else did.

Dave Cawley: But that damage was done.

Trent Leavitt: Obviously, in trying to be cooperative, we just did whatever West Valley City told us to do. And they said “Don’t say anything.” We said, “ok, we’ve been pretty good at that.” So we let West Valley City put out a statement. We just kept our mouth shut.

Dave Cawley: That didn’t keep Trent’s phone from blowing up.

Trent Leavitt: Dozens and dozens of phone calls. Probably from your station as well. And I had no comment. Y’know, I actually just started hanging up on people because I had work to do, and I wasn’t getting it done.

Dave Cawley: The Decipher team feared West Valley would demand the encrypted drive back, shutting down their effort. But the city didn’t do that. And the situation did have a silver lining. The renewed interest in the Powell case started the team thinking about how to whittle down that giant dictionary into something more manageable, a custom dictionary to Josh alone.

Richard Hickman: It’s a much more personalized dictionary, based on the information that we have about him. And so, we can take all of his computer information and even enter in manually information like his birthday, his kids’ names, his kids’ birthdays, family members and important life events and that kind of stuff.

Dave Cawley: But they could only build that custom dictionary if they had access to Josh’s other, unencrypted hard drives.

Trent Leavitt: During the course of that week, umm, our former business partner Mike Johnson said, “I’m positive, there’s more drives in this case that just didn’t give them to us. What if we took all of the drives” and like Richard talked about “created a dictionary of all the drives that aren’t encrypted?”

Dave Cawley: A few weeks after the leak, detective Greco dropped in on the Decipher office again to remind Trent, Mike and Richard they were still bound by the non-disclosure agreement. The Decipher team took the opportunity to ask for copies of all of the digital data from the Powell case. West Valley City agreed, in spite of the recent breach of trust. And, in 2018, the accounting firm Eide Bailly acquired Decipher Forensics. Trent brought the Powell drives with him to his new, state-of-the-art digital forensics lab.

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Dave Cawley: The October 2017 leak had another unintended consequence. Rob Burton, an IT expert and self-described news junkie, had followed reports about the Powell case from the beginning.

Rob Burton: It affected me very personally, just like many of us here in Utah and nationally.

Dave Cawley: Rob was paying attention when the P.I., Rose Winquist, started doing news interviews about Josh’s encrypted hard drive.

Rob Burton: There was some local news media coverage of the encrypted hard drive that had made the news here in Salt Lake City as well as some podcasts.

Dave Cawley: It was Nancy Grace on her podcast “Crime Stories.” The show characterized the latest news as “a big development” and “the most hopeful lead” in the Powell case in years. Attentive, Rob listened. Several times.

Rob Burton: And as I heard the, the digital forensic details, it just didn’t quite line up.

Dave Cawley: Rob worked for a large corporate employer in Salt Lake City as an information security analyst and digital forensics specialist. He had expertise in this field.

Rob Burton: She kind of glossed over it. I don’t think she fully understood the details and the intricacies that were involved, especially with West Valley City.

Dave Cawley: At one point, a guest on the podcast mentioned there was nothing preventing police from making more copies of the encrypted hard drive and sharing those with other digital forensic experts. That started Rob thinking.

Rob Burton: I actually work in West Valley. My employer has a major IT office in West Valley and so hearing that, I wondered, “I wonder if I could get involved with that?”

Dave Cawley: Rob headed over to West Valley police headquarters on his lunch break one day.

Rob Burton: They were actually very positive, very favorable. I, I, I asked them specifically for the detective involved in the case and he wasn’t there at the time but I left him a message and then he called me back a few days later and met with me.

Dave Cawley: Detective David Greco made a fresh copy of the encrypted “My Book World” hard drive for Rob and delivered it to him at the start of January 2018. Just like with Decipher, Rob signed a nondisclosure agreement. He was gagged from talking about the project.

Rob Burton: In fact, as I started this project two years ago, being under NDA, I knew I just couldn’t just create a folder on my computer called “Susan Powell project” because I was under NDA and kind of had to keep it hidden. And so I named the folder on my computer Project Sunlight because I thought every good secret project has to have a good codename, right? Like you see in movies and TV shows and I named it Project Sunlight Because sunlight is the best disinfectant, I think.

Dave Cawley: Again, West Valley City has granted Rob a release from that NDA at Cold’s request. My thanks to the city for allowing Rob to share his story.

Rob Burton: And now that it’s a little more out in the open, I’m, I’m very relieved to be able to talk about it.

Dave Cawley: Once Rob obtained a copy of the encrypted hard drive, he started tinkering. He bought several computers second-hand and set them up to run a password-cracking program.

Rob Burton: I’ve basically built a small computer lab out of extra computers that I had and uh, that I’ve been able to acquire with some other video cards and then just running the software against it. It’s called Passware and it’s commercially available and it’s what law enforcement agencies also use.

Dave Cawley: Passware began plugging every possible password into the drive, one by one, as fast as it could. This is what’s known as a brute force attack, a different approach from the dictionary attack the Decipher team had first employed.

Rob Burton: There’s a couple different strategies when it comes to decryption, but brute force is kind of the last effort, really, the last ditch effort really, after several of the easier things have been exhausted. You’re really left with brute force. And that’s where you’re basically just trying combinations of letters, numbers, characters to try and brute force that password. To guess it. Password guessing.

Dave Cawley: Passware had only been running for a handful of weeks when something unexpected happened.

Rob Burton: One morning I came in and looked at that and it said “password found 1.” And I thought “oh, is that a bug, was that real?” And sure enough, yeah no, it really did find one password.

Dave Cawley: ap1124. The same password the Decipher team had discovered.

Rob Burton: But we mounted that and it’s blank. There’s no data there.

Dave Cawley: Earlier, I mentioned that I’d get back to the idea of this being an “outer layer” of encryption.

Rob Burton: Think of it as a box within a box.

Dave Cawley: Rob explained, the ap1124 password was the key to open the outer box.

Rob Burton: There’s a process known as plausible deniability that basically, it was used so that if someone was caught and had to give up the password to this drive, say by law enforcement — law enforcement arrests a suspect and convinces them to give up a password to the drive — they could say “ok, well my password is, here’s my password.” Law enforcement thinks “oh great, we’ve got the password to the drive, we can decrypt it.” They can decrypt that outer partition and it can be totally empty. And they think “oh, there’s nothing here.”

Dave Cawley: Cracking the outer partition password brings them no closer to discovering the hidden partition password.

Rob Burton: It’s a whole different password. There’s the outer password and there’s the inner password. So it’s starting over and it’s a much different layer of complexity.

Dave Cawley: ap1124 isn’t very secure, as far passwords go. Nowadays, many websites would refuse to let you use it because it’s not long enough, doesn’t include special characters and uses only lower-case letters. Richard Hickman and Trent Leavitt told me it’s likely the password Josh used on the hidden partition, if a hidden partition even exists, is much more complex.

Richard Hickman: There might not even be a second layer. It could just be, we cracked that top code and it was an empty hard drive.

Trent Leavitt: That’s possibility we’ve talked about.

Richard Hickman: We have no idea, so. We’d like to think that there’s something else to go after.

Dave Cawley: The ViceVersaPro database log I talked about earlier suggests there probably is something to go after. But the only way to know for sure is to either crack the second password or run the brute force attack until the end of time.

Trent Leavitt: No encryption is bulletproof. But if you can delay the amount of time it takes, then becomes improbable.

Dave Cawley: The way you increase the amount of time it takes is by using a long, strong password. Josh did provide police a password for one of his computers in 2011. It consisted of his birth date, his full name, his social security number, his user account name and a string of what appear to be random letters and numbers. It’s 59 characters, including upper and lower case letters, numbers, as well as hyphens, slashes and parentheses.

Rob Burton: However many characters long it may be exponentially increases the complexity and the length that it takes.

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Dave Cawley: West Valley police were sifting through the first round of digital data seized from the Sarah Circle house in the days after Susan disappeared when, in March of 2010, Josh Powell’s attorney Scott Williams sent them an email. Williams asked for the return of Josh’s computers and hard drives.

The sergeant in charge of West Valley’s major crimes unit told Williams that wasn’t going to happen. But the sergeant said if Josh had a particular file in mind, detectives could try to find it for him. That would go easier, he added, if Josh would cough up his password. 

Josh claimed he could not remember the password. In spite of that, he emailed over his file wishlist a few days later. At the top were his family photos. Here’s what he wrote in his email.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from April 5, 2010 email to Scott Williams): On the white hard drive, most of it will be in a folder called “photos” or “photos and videos” or similar naming. If possible, please send all photos, audio, and video files you can find. There will be some hundreds of gigabytes in total.

Dave Cawley: The “white hard drive” he’s talking about is the encrypted My Book World drive.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from April 5, 2010 email to Scott Williams): Everything that can be released from the white Western Digital drive would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Cawley: Josh called the photos and videos “unreplaceable,” even though he already had copies of them safe and sound in Washington. Is it possible then, that this request to police was just a ruse? A way of finding out if they’d managed to break into his encrypted archive?

A bit earlier, I described how I compared the ViceVersaPro database to the digital evidence seized by police in 2011 and discovered they lined up. But there were a few conspicuous omissions from the 2011 data. Files with names like “Gmail email account info” and “encryption instructions” were missing. This suggests that at some point after Susan’s disappearance, Josh performed an audit of his own files and deleted anything that might give away his passwords.

In a more curious omission, Josh appeared to have deleted any file that showed he once owned a set of Ridgid-brand power tools. Paperwork for all of his other tools was still present, but not the Ridgid tools. It’s not clear why he did that.

Back to that email Josh sent police. He told them he also wanted a complete copy of his workissued laptop. 

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from April 5, 2010 email to Scott Williams): And if possible, please find the image that is displayed on the desktop and include it. Or just photograph the computer with the desktop picture showing to try as a memory aid.

Dave Cawley: A memory aid. To what, remember his password?

Kaly Richmond, a member of the digital forensics team at Eide Bailly, recovered Josh’s desktop at Cold’s request. The photo was not what I expected. It’s just a stock image of a chameleon. Whatever it might have meant to Josh, I can’t say. But I can say this: after all of this time spent analyzing the digital data and searching for clues, it’s clear Josh Powell was not some computer genius.

Trent Leavitt: He created some websites. There’s eight year olds that create websites and not, they’re not prodigies. Anyone can get a book and create a website. It’s just sitting down and going through the book.

Dave Cawley: Josh did have aptitude when it came to tech.

Rob Burton: He wasn’t really the smartest but he certainly utilized whatever was available at the time.

Dave Cawley: He could run a database, but cryptography was not his specialty. He was no hacker.

Trent Leavitt: There’s not that many true hackers in the world, from a percentage standpoint. But if you work in technology, people think you’re a hacker and it’s just not the case.

Dave Cawley: TrueCrypt, the program Josh used to encrypt the My Book World hard drive, was available for free on the internet in 2009.

Rob Burton: You didn’t have to be the smartest or the most technical savvy. You could just download it and use it.

Dave Cawley: TrueCrypt is just as strong today as it was a decade ago. There’s no simple shortcut or backdoor to discovering Josh’s password.

Richard Hickman: Just because the resources and technology are a little bit better today doesn’t change the fact that that encryption, in the first place, was top notch and that it’s still going to take that many permutations to get through it.

Dave Cawley: Even if investigators some day make into the drive, they will have to contend with the fact that ViceVersaPro, the program Josh used to back up files to the My Book World drive, also applied its own layer of encryption.

Rob Burton: You hook it up to your home router. You back up several computers. Josh was very meticulous, it sounds like, in doing that.

Dave Cawley: This is how digital forensics works. It’s a constant process of coming up against hurdles and finding ways overcome them. Some solutions are technical. Some are rooted in human nature.

Trent Leavitt: I don’t care who you are, decryption’s not easy.

Dave Cawley: Or fast. And at this point, with Josh, Michael and Steve Powell all dead, there’s no expectation on the part of law enforcement that decrypting the My Book World drive will lead to anyone being held accountable for what happened to Susan. But there is hope that some small clue might lead police to Susan’s body.

Trent Leavitt: If it were my daughter, I’d go to the ends of the earth, just like, uh, the Cox family has done for years now, to make sure I’ve exhausted every avenue possible, if that were my daughter.

Dave Cawley: That is why this effort continues.

Trent Leavitt: Everything that we’ve done on this, everyone that’s participate in helping this, no one’s been compensated for it, at all. It’s just to try and help the Cox family as much as possible, in any way that we can.

Dave Cawley: Trent Leavitt and Kaly Richmond at Eide Bailly, along with Richard Hickman, Mike Johnson and the rest of their old Decipher Forensics team, are still brainstorming new approaches.

Richard Hickman: I would love to see someone else able to do it. If they know a hacker out there that knows how to get into True Crypt, I’d love an introduction.

Dave Cawley: And Rob Burton, now part of the effort, is providing his time and insight to Project Sunlight.

Rob Burton: I as a corporate investigator, I’ve got a little extra time on my hands. I’m not constrained by international terrorist cases or, or other criminal cases that tie up law enforcement resources. And so I have a little extra time that I can devote to this. I, I think it’s worth it and I want to continue and I want to just throw additional resources at it. And as technology improves, software gets better, hardware gets better, I think that we’ll get there eventually. And it’s definitely worth the effort and worth trying. We gotta do what we can.

Dave Cawley: Summer had its claws in Salt Lake City. September sun scorched the pavement. The noontime heat made the air appear to wobble. Jeff Lewis stepped into his truck, a red GMC Sierra pickup, outside of his office in an industrial park south of Salt Lake City International Airport. He knew the lunch hour traffic would be bad on the Bangerter Highway, so he opted to take a back road south toward the 201 freeway. Jeff’s route took him down Gramercy Road, to 1820 South, then to an intersection with Bangerter just north of the 201 onramp.

Jeff Lewis: Just before I got onto Bangerter at the intersection, umm, I was sitting at the red light with one vehicle in front of me and it happened to be a little minivan.

Dave Cawley: A blue, 2005 Chrysler Town and Country.

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Dave Cawley: Both the minivan and the GMC were in line, waiting to make right-hand turns onto the southbound lanes of Bangerter. The light turned green.

Jeff Lewis: The minivan started to pull forward and turn right and so I naturally looked left as I was pulling forward and I ran into the back of the minivan.

Dave Cawley: The Town and Country minivan had come to a full, unexpected stop. The GMC hadn’t been moving all that fast, but its front bumper hit the van’s lift gate.

Jeff Lewis: I was just thinking “what are you doing? The light was green, you were going right and then you slammed on your brakes. What were you doing?” Y’know? And yeah, I was upset, too.

Dave Cawley: The minivan did not budge. It hung halfway out in the rightmost lane of Bangerter Highway, frozen. A surge of frustration went through Jeff as it became clear the minivan was not going to pull over.

Jeff Lewis: I pulled around him and then pulled on to Bangerter and pulled over to the right and he pulled up behind me.

Dave Cawley: Jeff put his truck in park, pulled out his phone and dialed 911.

Jeff Lewis: Instantly, my first instinct was to call the cops. Uh, been in a little fender bender, didn’t know what really was going on, uh, the guy was kinda acting weird by not really getting out of the way of traffic. We weren’t really even going very fast, maybe three to four miles an hour.

Dave Cawley: A dispatcher took Jeff’s information as he walked around the front of the pickup.

Jeff Lewis: There wasn’t really any damage to my truck. A couple little scrapes on the front bumper, nothing big.

Dave Cawley: The dispatcher told Jeff a trooper would head his way. He ended the call and glanced over to see the driver of the minivan walking toward him.

Jeff Lewis: He kind of gave off this really weird vibe by the way he approached. Uh, it was kind of like he was a little bit standoffish, uh, just a little bit different. Not like a, a normal person.

Dave Cawley: The minivan driver stuck out his hand, as if he wanted to shake Jeff’s. He introduced himself at the same time. “My name,” he said, “is Josh.”

Jeff Lewis: And I actually told him “I’ve just called the cops, I’d appreciate it if you stay over there by your van” and “I’m calling my insurance right now.” And he said “oh, oh you’ve called the cops.” And I said “yeah I’ve, I’ve, they’re on their way. They’ll be here any time.”

Dave Cawley: This is a bonus episode of Cold: The Car Crash Con. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: Three months before Susan Powell disappeared, Jeff Lewis was involved in a minor fender bender with Susan’s husband, Josh Powell.

Jeff Lewis: Something was really off. I didn’t feel comfortable with the guy. Y’know and, and rightfully so, I was probably, I was pretty upset.

Dave Cawley: Josh had brake-checked Jeff at they were making a right-hand turn from 1820 South onto the Bangerter Highway in Salt Lake City on September 2^nd, 2009. Jeff had called 911, then his insurance agent.

Jeff Lewis: Meanwhile, I look over and Josh is on his phone and walking around, acting like no big deal, kind of over by his vehicle. Umm, and then a cop pulled up.

Dave Cawley: Utah Highway Patrol records show the cop — a state trooper — arrived six minutes after Jeff called in to report the accident.

Jeff Lewis: As soon as Josh looked over and saw that there was a cop pulled up, all the sudden his back started hurting and he kind of started holding his lower back and limping back to his vehicle. And he actually got back into his van on the passenger side. The cop got out of his vehicle, walked up to me and asked me “what was that?” And I said “I don’t know, he was perfectly fine while we were waiting for you.”

Dave Cawley: Jeff told me the trooper warned him if Josh asked for an ambulance, he’d have to call for one. Jeff couldn’t believe it.

Jeff Lewis: It wasn’t even enough to really, when I hit him, to really make my head whiplash or my neck whiplash or anything like that.

Dave Cawley: The trooper gave both Jeff and Josh paperwork to fill out. They each wrote out their individual accounts of the crash. Just over 10 years had passed from the day of this crash to the afternoon that Jeff and I sat down for this interview.

Jeff Lewis: Y’know and, and my memory’s a little foggy. It’s been a little while.

Dave Cawley: Thankfully, the paperwork from that day a decade ago has survived. I have copies of both statements and asked Jeff to read Josh’s words.

Jeff Lewis: Josh’s says that “came to a full stop at a red light. Pulled forward and came to another full stop to traffic. Got rear ended.” That was it.

Dave Cawley: Jeff’s version of events included a bit more detail.

Jeff Lewis: Umm, mine. “Was in lane waiting to pull out onto Bangerter. Car in front of me pulled forward to go. I looked left and he’d stopped. I was only going about 3 to 4 miles per hour. Jumped out to see if he was ok and he said he was just fine.” So, it’s a little bit different.

Dave Cawley: Standing on the side of the highway that day, Jeff couldn’t imagine why Josh would need medical treatment.

Jeff Lewis: And so the cop walks over and probably about three minutes later walks back to me and says “well, here comes the ambulance.” Five to ten minutes later, a fire truck and an ambulance pulls up. They pull him out of the vehicle like he, as if he couldn’t even walk. They put him on a stretcher, put him in the ambulance and, and uh, hauled him away.

Dave Cawley: Josh ended up at the Granger Medical Clinic in West Valley City that afternoon, where a doctor diagnosed him with a neck sprain.

Jeff Lewis: I talked with the police officer after and uh, he actually apologized to me and said “y’know what?” This is right after the recession and he said “we’ve seen a lot of accidents.” And he goes “I’m not necessarily saying that he purposely caused the accident, but it looks like he did. And we see these kinda accidents quite a, quite a bit because some people can claim, y’know, doctor bills and, and they’re hurt and distressed and 20 to 30 thousand dollars off of insurance for a settlement.”

Dave Cawley: Utah court records show Jeff received a citation for following too close. He had to pay a $170 fine.

Jeff Lewis: Went home and I didn’t really think anything of it after that.

Dave Cawley: Until three months later, when he spotted a face that seemed somehow familiar on the TV news.

Jeff Lewis: At first, y’know, they were talking about the disappearance of Susan Powell and her husband Josh Powell. They had ‘em on the news and I said “I know this guy. I know this guy.” Didn’t hit me right away but all of the sudden I was like, I was digging through my stuff and I found the incident report and sure enough, it was Josh Powell.

Dave Cawley: It came as a shock. Jeff realized Josh and Susan Powell lived exactly a mile and a half west of him in a straight line.

Jeff Lewis: What’d happened is my insurance called me, umm, it was right around the same time, and they told me that he’d claimed that, y’know of course some vehicle damage. Uh, they paid out for that, I want to say it was about $3,000, which, honestly, $3,000 isn’t, isn’t much damage. Uh, he had a little scrape and a little ding on the, the back of the van, nothing real serious. Umm, they also paid out the ambulance ride.

Dave Cawley: This is backed up by paperwork. An estimate prepared by Rocky Mountain Collision Repair a week after the crash pegged the cost of fixing the minivan at $2,934.

Jeff Lewis: He also tried to claim pain and suffering and they did not pay out the money that he was asking for for that.

Dave Cawley: Pain and suffering. From a fender-bender. A little love tap at less than five miles per hour.

Jeff Lewis: And at the time, my insurance agent actually told me that there was other cases that he’d been involved that was very similar to the same accident. I don’t have any proof on that. That was just what my insurance agent told me.

Dave Cawley: Jeff didn’t have any proof. I do.

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Dave Cawley: Let’s step back in time and look at Josh Powell’s second suspicious car crash. Six and a half years before that rear-end wreck on Utah’s Bangerter Highway, and 585 miles away as the crow flies, Josh sat at the wheel of a different minivan. This time, it was his 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager. Susan sat shotgun. They didn’t have their boys with them, because Charlie and Braden had not yet been born.

Susan Cox Powell (from February 2, 2003 home video recording): They say when you want to have kids, get a dog. But we didn’t want a dog, so we got a bird. We don’t want kids yet though, either.

Dave Cawley: Josh and Susan had been married just over two years. They were then living in Yakima, Washington, working as live-in managers at a retirement center. This is from a video Steve Powell shot, when Josh and Susan first moved in to their on-site apartment.

Steve Powell (from February 2, 2003 home video recording): Yeah well, you don’t want kids until you’ve been in this place long enough to, y’know.

Susan Cox Powell (from February 2, 2003 home video recording): Take the experience with us and find a better job.

Steve Powell (from February 2, 2003 home video recording): Exactly, so. Yeah. So…

Dave Cawley: On May 12^th, 2003, the Powell’s minivan rolled north along Rudkin Road in the little city of Union Gap, just south of Yakima. Off to the right, traffic whizzed by on I-82.

(Sound of traffic on I-82)

Dave Cawley: Rudkin, a frontage road, had a posted speed limit of 25 miles per hour.

Bob Powers: It wasn’t like we were going 60 miles an hour down this road. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Josh wasn’t even doing 25 as he crept past the Outback Steakhouse, Best Western and truck stop.

Bob Powers: There was no one else on the road at all, no other cars.

Dave Cawley: Bob Powers was also headed north on Rudkin that afternoon in his 1993 Lexus ES340.

Bob Powers: I had come up on him after a, after a turn on the roadway and went “why is he going so slow? There’s nobody in front of him in the,” y’know, he’s obviously lost, is what I’m saying to myself. Y’know, that’s what you say to yourself. Obviously lost.

Dave Cawley: Bob slowed. His focus drifted. Out of the corner of his eye, he spotted an odd looking home at the side of the road.

Bob Powers: For whatever reason I’d taken a look at the building and happened to notice that it, y’know that it was, y’know just a ugly roof.

Dave Cawley: As a real estate investor, Bob had something of an interest in odd properties.

Bob Powers: And the minute I’d looked back, y’know he’d, he’d stopped. Y’know, it was very abrupt and I didn’t understand it at all. No need to be stopping. There’s, there, there, clear roadway ahead, no stop lights, no stop signs. No right or left turn opportunities. There was no reason for him to be stopped dead, dead center in the middle of the road.

Dave Cawley: Bob’s right foot stabbed the brake pedal. It wasn’t enough. The Lexus skidded into the back of the minivan.

Bob Powers: Y’know, I think by the time we would’ve even connected we, we had to have been, what was it I said before, might have been going five miles, ten miles an hour or something. It’s gotta be slower.

Dave Cawley: The front driver-side corner of the Lexus hit the van’s rear bumper, just right of center.

Bob Powers: It just couldn’t have been much. It was just a really soft uh, y’know, connection, enough that it, enough that it surprised you but not enough that it jolted you.

Dave Cawley: Airbags did not even deploy, in either car. Josh would later describe whipping his head backward against the headrest. Susan lurched forward against her seatbelt. Her muscles tensed. She didn’t feel pain, only a rush of anxiety. Concerned, she turned to check on her husband. Josh seemed ok, but maybe just a little dazed. Susan popped the buckle on her seatbelt and stepped out of the minivan’s passenger door. She checked herself. Nothing seemed broken or even sore. Josh got out of the van as well, as Bob was stepping from the driver door of his car.

Bob Powers: Got out of the car and uh, I uh, said “well we probably should take each other’s information and uh, let me, let me call and file a report.”

Dave Cawley: Bob had a few years on Josh. He wasn’t quite sure what to make of this younger man.

Bob Powers: I, I do remember him being just somewhat aloof, umm, didn’t seem to be very animated. Kinda odd, y’know, in a, I mean, kind of quiet, didn’t really talk much. Y’know, sort of, uh, participated in the information exchange but didn’t really have much more to add to the conversation. So I call, I was actually the one who called the police.

Dave Cawley: Meantime, they checked their cars for damage.

Bob Powers: What I remember is, wasn’t much damage at all.

Dave Cawley: A Union Gap police officer arrived. He looked at the two vehicles. Then, he wrote up a report. It noted damage to the front driver corner of Bob’s car, but no damage of any significance to Josh’s minivan. The officer wrote Bob a ticket for following too close.

Bob Powers: I was cited for umm, for the uh, incident. Y’know, had a citation written and didn’t feel it was my fault because I felt like it was an abrupt, y’know, stop.

Dave Cawley: All these years later, I found a scanned copy of the officer’s report among Josh’s personal files. I showed it to Bob.

Bob Powers: That’s interesting. Mmhmm.

(Sound of papers shuffling)

Dave Cawley: Josh told the officer that he’d been making a left-hand turn. The officer drew a diagram of the crash, based on Josh’s description.

Bob Powers: I find this interesting, this diagram. This is, this is a, they did this to indicate what the individual had said, that he was starting to take a left turn. But this is not true. This cannot be possible, y’know.

Dave Cawley: The area to the left of where Josh had stopped on Rudkin Road was blocked by a cyclone fence and a locked gate surrounding a fruit warehouse. I’ve been unable to find any indication that Josh and Susan ever visited or had business at that warehouse. That wasn’t the only oddity on the police report.

Bob Powers: Says no injuries were reported.

Dave Cawley: No injuries. That makes what happened next even more odd. Josh handed Susan the keys and sat down in the passenger seat. She took the wheel and steered north to Memorial Hospital in Yakima. When they arrived, Susan told the emergency department staff she was fine but her husband needed an evaluation. Josh went through an exam and x-rays. He received a prescription for ibuprofen and Vicodin. The doctor also told him to take it easy for a few days at work: no heavy lifting, no pouring coffee for the retirement center residents, that kind of thing

Susan awoke the next morning in pain. The adrenaline had worn off and her body ached. But she didn’t go the ER, as Josh had. Instead, she stopped by a clinic right around the corner from their work. A tech took some x-rays and nothing seemed wrong so Susan went home with just some Celebrex, which she never ended up taking. Looking through the records now, it seems that would’ve been a logical place for this story to end. But it didn’t.

On the second day after the crash, Josh convinced Susan they needed to see a chiropractor. He’d found one in the yellow pages so they went in for an evaluation. Afterward, Josh informed his bosses he couldn’t do any physical labor, doctor’s orders. Also, he’d be missing a lot of work while receiving treatment.

Josh and Susan spent the next month and a half seeing the chiropractor, two or three times per week. That wasn’t all. The chiropractor wrote them prescriptions for massage therapy. All of the bills went to Josh’s auto insurance. They were coming to the end of their treatments when July 13^th rolled around. That was the day Steve Powell confessed his feelings to Susan, in the voyeur video recording first revealed right here in the Cold podcast. You might remember, Steve had accompanied Josh and Susan to a trucking company in Kent, Washington. Josh wanted to get his CDL and was toying with the idea of working as a trucker.

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Well, ‘cause we’re thinking of moving to Colorado—

Unidentified woman (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Oh, are you really?

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): —and I thought, of all the things, I want to get a trailer—

Unidentified woman (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Uh huh.

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): —to put our stuff in, because I hate moving it in and out of storage.

Unidentified woman (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Right, right.

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording):  And so if I had a trailer, I’d like to have a way to move it without having to hire someone—

Unidentified woman (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Sure.

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): —even if I had to rent the truck.

Unidentified woman (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Right, right.

Dave Cawley: In the video Steve shot that day, Josh sat behind the big steering wheel, using using his arms and upper body to maneuver the semi. He didn’t wince or show any outward sign of pain as he twisted, worked the stick shift and waved goodby to his dad.

(Sound of idling semi truck)

Josh Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): See you later.

Steve Powell (from a July 13, 2003 home video recording): Ok, bye.

Dave Cawley: Yet just three days later, Josh pulled out the Yellow Pages again. He believed, according to medical records, that his recovery had plateaued and he wanted to try a different chiropractor. That meant a new round of evaluations, x-rays and manipulations. Josh and Susan went in together, three times a week, just like before. At every visit, the chiropractor billed the insurance for “exercise training” and “neuromuscular re-education.” He even sold Josh on the need for $170 dollars in special pillows and back braces, sending those bills to the insurance as well.

Bob Powers, the driver who’d hit Josh, had no idea any of this was happening.

Bob Powers: They get treatment for what? Nothing? (Laughs) That’s what it seems like.

Dave Cawley: Bob went to court, fighting the ticket he’d received. He brought photos with him, showing tall weeds covering the fence line that Josh was supposedly turning left into.

Bob Powers: Well, there’s no place where he could have been taking a left turn. It was total falsehood. That why I went and took photos is just so I would have whatever information I might need and, and uh, went to present it to the judge and he uh, he said “I think we’re going to rule in your favor.” (Laughs) So he dismissed the ticket.

Dave Cawley: Josh and Susan’s medical bills kept coming. By August, Josh’s auto insurance provider, Pemco, decided it needed to figure out if all of this really was necessary. The company ordered independent medical evaluations for both Josh and Susan. Josh talked to his chiropractor about it. He kept notes. Here’s what he wrote.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from September, 2003 personal notes): He said we had to sue in order to show a strong effort to get more money or he would make us pay all of the invalid charges out of our money. … He gave me literature to ‘prove’ that I should. I told him I don’t think that is necessary.

Dave Cawley: The independent medical exams, or IMEs, took place on August 19^th, 2003, more than three months after the crash. The specialist who did the IMEs described Susan as “very pleasant.” He did not use any such language for Josh. I have copies of paperwork from this IME. On a page listing symptoms, Josh checked boxes for severe or frequent headaches, shaking or twitching in limbs, loss of motion in joints, spine abnormality and excessive worry or anxiety. Susan put a giant slash across the entire form, as if to say she didn’t have any serious symptoms. 

The IMEs revealed Susan was fine. Although she sometimes had neck stiffness, she didn’t require any additional treatment to return to her pre-crash condition. Josh was another story. The specialist wrote Josh was “neurologically and orthopedically intact.” But, because of his insistent complaints about pain, Josh would probably benefit from six more weeks of treatment.

Pemco said Josh would have to pay for the pillows himself. It also denied coverage for the exercise training and neuromuscular re-education, finding those were unnecessary and not related to the crash.

Bob was stunned when I described the extent of the claims to him.

Bob Powers: My goodness. And here it’s been, what, 16 years ago? First I’ve heard of it.

Dave Cawley: Josh argued every detail of the bills with the insurance companies and chiropractors. His own records show he negotiated his portions of the bills down to just fractions of their total amounts. Bob’s insurance, State Farm, had quickly paid out $1,300 to replace the dinged rear bumper on Josh and Susan’s minivan. Josh hounded State Farm for more. He claimed there were new problems with the minivan that cropped up after the crash, like bald tires and a malfunctioning door lock. State Farm refused to pay for additional repairs.

The negotiation dragged on for months. In the end, State Farm reached a settlement with Josh. It paid out roughly $13,000 to cover medical expenses. Josh pocketed about half — $6,160.

Bob Powers: Wow. (Laughs) Good income for a couple of months back then, maybe.

Dave Cawley: It’s fair to raise a question here about Susan’s involvement in this claim. I turned to Susan’s journal, hoping to find insight about her side of this experience. But, there are two pages missing from it. The gap in time spans from March 2003 until August 2003, the exact period of time during which this crash and insurance claim took place. It’s also the period of time during which Steve Powell told Susan he was in love with her, and she rejected him. So, one could understand why she might not want this story in her journal.

The entries that followed the missing pages simply described a desire to escape. Here’s what Susan wrote on August 29^th, 2003.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from an August 29, 2003 journal entry): Literally every work day we have numerous reminders of why we want to go. Badly. Hopefully soon, our misery can be put to an end. So then we can be living where we want. Happy what we’re doing and sooner able to move on, find a job for Josh and start a family.

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Dave Cawley: All of Josh and Susan’s missed work time resulting from the crash had soured their relationship with the owners of the retirement center. They transferred to another center in Olympia at the end of the year, but it didn’t help. So, in January of 2004, Josh and Susan moved to Utah. They were both unemployed at first, but survived off of that $6,100 settlement check.

After a few weeks, Josh and Susan both picked up temp jobs. Josh lost his almost immediately. Susan’s temp position didn’t provide health insurance, so Josh applied for a private plan that February. He listed his occupation as “manager” on the paperwork, failing to disclose he was actually out of work and receiving unemployment. He also wrote on the form that he and Susan were both in “great health.” He explained away all those chiropractic treatments, saying they were just the result of an auto accident.

The agent who handled Josh’s application told him she needed records. He argued with her at length. In processing notes, the agent described Josh as “quite difficult to work with.” But he did cough up the records, eventually. After reviewing them, the insurance company offered Josh and Susan coverage, with a 15% markup. Josh did not take that  very well. He pushed back, saying he’d only gone through all those weeks of spine-cracking on doctor’s orders. The agent told Josh they could reconsider the rate in two years, provided he and Susan remained healthy. The insurance company viewed it as an already generous offer, the best they could do.

He wasn’t happy, but Josh swallowed it. The internal processing notes show only then did the health insurance rep raise the question: What, exactly, did Josh manage? The agent called Josh to ask, only to learn he was “now between jobs.”

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Dave Cawley: These two car wrecks six years apart exhibited a surprising symmetry. Both were low-speed, rear-end collisions caused when Josh Powell came to unexpected stops in front of other drivers. In both cases, the other drivers insisted there was no apparent reason for him to have stopped. Josh claimed injuries from both crashes, in spite of the fact that neither of the other drivers were injured. Josh sought months of chiropractic and massage therapy care following each crash, billing those visits to auto insurance. In both cases, the insurance companies ended up ordering independent medical examinations, which raised doubts about the necessity of the treatments.

Twice is quite the coincidence.

Bob Powers: And, and you’ve indicated that there was some other, at least another one of these kinds of incidents? Two other incidents? Wow.

Dave Cawley: One before, one after.

Bob Powers: Wow.

Dave Cawley: Three times and it’s no longer a coincidence, it’s a trend. So let’s look at Josh’s third suspicious crash. It happened during the summer of 2000.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): It was a really nice summer. I, I was actually content. I was happy the way things were going.

Dave Cawley: That’s Josh’s voice, from his audio journals. It was four months before he met Susan. He’d been living with his dad in South Hill, Washington but had just found an apartment of his own in Tacoma.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): It’s a really nice apartment. Two bedroom apartment, it was brand new when I moved in.

Dave Cawley: Josh had a lot going on. He was working long days installing furniture, struggling to stay ahead of his debts.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): All told, I think I’m paying out close to $2,000 a month just to live.

Dave Cawley: He’d made new friends at church and anticipated going back to school that fall. His prized possessions were his computer, his entertainment center and his Plymouth Voyager minivan.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): I might have to let my van go, which is costing me $310 in insurance and payments, which is not much.

Dave Cawley: On the afternoon of June 8^th, 2000, Josh drove that minivan north up Meridian in Puyallup. A young woman named Nichole Lyons was right behind him in her 1998 Jeep Wrangler. Nichole lived in the Puyallup area but worked out west, in DuPont. She took a van pool to work each day, leaving her Jeep in a parking lot near Puyallup’s South Hill Mall.

Nichole Lyons: Just right near a little strip mall that used to be a mattress store, for some reason what’s ringing bells.

Dave Cawley: She’d pulled onto Meridian on her way home that day only to find traffic backed up.

Nichole Lyons: Afternoon, y’know, commuting traffic. I would imagine it was around 5, y’know 5ish, 5:15 maybe because that’s when I would have gotten back to my, y’know, van pool spot and then pulled out into the road. So that’s what I recall.

Dave Cawley: And come to an immediate stop, as bumper-to-bumper traffic sat waiting for the light at 39^th Avenue to change. The car in front of her, Josh’s minivan, crept forward. So did she.

Nichole Lyons: Thought he was going but he wasn’t.

Dave Cawley: Nichole’s Jeep hit Josh’s minivan.

Nichole Lyons: I rear-ended him just ever so slightly. Really we were going, the, y’know, the miles per hour was like, y’know, two or three, (laughs) maybe. I mean, it was very much we had just started going and then immediately stopped and had impact.

Dave Cawley: Nicole and Josh each pulled off the road, into a parking lot.

Nichole Lyons: Then he seemed from what I recall to be in a hurry.

Dave Cawley: They checked for damage. By design, the Wrangler’s front bumper wasn’t entirely flat. It had two prongs on it, one of which had hit the rear bumper of Josh’s minivan.

Nichole Lyons: I mean, I think there was a little indentation in his bumper from the prong of my vehicle. There was not any damage to my vehicle, whatsoever.

Dave Cawley: They had a quick conversation.

Nichole Lyons: I think there was some talk of do we even want to exchange information and we ended up exchanging information.

Dave Cawley: Josh scribbled Nichole’s license plate and phone number on a paper copy of her auto insurance card, which he kept. He also wrote out his own description of crash. He later scanned both papers into his computer, though Nichole had no way of knowing that.

Nichole Lyons: And I wasn’t sure that he was even going to even turn it in or file a claim.

Dave Cawley: It wasn’t a big deal, as far as she could tell. No police, no ambulance. No problem.

Nichole Lyons: He seemed completely fine. And very, y’know, like I said, in a hurry, “let’s exchange information” and get on his way.

Dave Cawley: The next day, an insurance adjuster came to look at the minivan. He figured the rear bumper cover would need to be replaced, at a cost of about $560, parts and labor. Records obtained by this podcast show the actual cost to repair came in below the estimate, at $452.

Repairs to Josh’s body cost a good deal more. He started seeing — can you guess? — a chiropractor. She wrote Josh had a mild to moderate cervical/thoracic strain or sprain. In other words, neck and back pain. She referred him to a massage therapist to receive two massages a week for the next six weeks. Josh didn’t want to pay for this, though, so he called Nichole’s insurance, Progressive, and started badgering them for money. Here’s what he wrote in his notes.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from June 6, 2000 personal notes): We talked and I tried to negotiate, but he didn’t negotiate at all until I forced the issue. Then he offered $400 cash and $500 medical. I told him that doesn’t even cover the here and now, medically.

Dave Cawley: The day after writing that, Josh went to the office of a personal injury lawyer in Puyallup. He hired the firm on the spot, agreeing to give them a third of anything they recovered from Progressive. Nichole had told her Progressive agent her side of the story.

Nichole Lyons: I also called it in to my insurance and talked with them and gave a statement of what happened. And then, that was it. I don’t, I don’t remember getting any additional pieces of information from that.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s attorney spent a few weeks gathering up the medical records, then sent a demand letter to Progressive. It said Josh had incurred about $1,500 in medical expenses. It also said he deserved $6,500 in general damages. As such, they wanted Progressive to cough up $8,000. A month later, Progressive settled, agreeing to pay out less than half that amount, about $3,400. That more than covered the medical bills. The attorney took his cut of around $1,100 dollars, leaving Josh with a check for $728. Nichole never knew.

Dave Cawley: Would it surprise you to learn that he claimed, uh, injury out of that crash?

Nichole Lyons: Yeah, that would be surprising. I don’t remember there being any concern of injury.

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Dave Cawley: Alright, with all of that background, now we have to look at the paperwork Josh filed with his car insurance company after the crash on Bangerter Highway in Utah back in September of 2009. Josh wrote that he had whiplash. One of the questions on the form asked if he’d previously been treated for “similar symptoms.” He checked no.

Bob Powers: I actually had no idea that, that this guy had made any claim whatsoever with my insurance company until you guys had, y’know, come up with that information. I thought it was pretty revealing.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s own records prove he’d claimed whiplash after that 2003 crash in Yakima, when Bob Powers rear-ended his van.

Bob Powers: I called my State Farm agent and said “did, did this really all happen? I mean, did they actually get some kind of payout?” And he of course told me the extent of the payout. And I says “you’ve got to be kidding me, Joel.” I says “how come there wasn’t there follow up by you guys because I, I, that, that following too close ticket was dismissed at court. I would think you’d have no obligation.” And umm, he says “well, we try to take it out of your hands and not have you, have you worry about it whatsoever and that’s why we haven’t informed you.”

Dave Cawley: While State Farm didn’t share the details of Josh’s 2003 claim with Bob, the company did enter those records into a fraud-prevention database. They were available to Jeff Lewis’ insurance company as it investigated Josh’s 2009 claim.

The 2009 crash happened three months before Susan disappeared. Josh was still undergoing treatment for his “injuries” when his wife vanished. And in the months that followed, the insurance companies ordered another independent medical exam, which I described in episode 6 of Cold. The paper trail from that IME revealed Josh was diagnosed with a rotator cuff strain or partial tear just 10 days after Susan disappeared. He blamed that injury on the crash, even though there was no mention of it in any of the prior medical records.

Jeff Lewis: Yeah, it was, it was an act. He claimed shoulder injury? When the cop pulled up, he was holding his back. It was all an act.

Dave Cawley: Again, that’s Jeff, the guy who rear-ended Josh three months before Susan disappeared.

Jeff Lewis: When I saw him on the news and his wife was missing, uh, my gut feeling was is that he was trying to get insurance money. Right away when I see this, I’m going “man, this guy got rid of his wife for money.”

Dave Cawley: On the surface, none of these crashes seem like much. But taken together, they paint a picture of Josh Powell. Willing to scam the insurance system for a few thousand bucks. Or, in Jeff’s view, maybe a million bucks: Susan’s life insurance.

Jeff Lewis: And then it comes out that, y’know, she did have an insurance policy. And so that’s exactly what I thought he did.

Dave Cawley: I wasn’t sure what I’d find when I first set out to identify the driver who hit Josh on that September day in 2009. To be honest, I wasn’t sure I would ever be able to. There wasn’t enough detail. All I knew was someone crashed into Josh’s minivan on or near the Bangerter Highway. I scoured the West Valley City case files, but came up empty-handed. I checked court records for any case connected with Josh Powell on that date. There weren’t any. I submitted public records requests to multiple police departments, asking for reports of any crash involving Josh’s minivan on or around that date. None had any. It hadn’t occurred to me then that the Highway Patrol might have jurisdiction. While I wasn’t able to identify Jeff, it turned out he was listening to Cold.

Jeff Lewis: My wife actually found it and said “you’ve gotta listen to this” ‘cause she knew the little bit of a background of being in an accident with Josh Powell. So she said “you’ve gotta listen to this podcast. They mention you in this.” And I’m like “wha? They don’t mention me. What are you talking about?”

Dave Cawley: Jeff reached out, indirectly, by leaving a review for the podcast.

Jeff Lewis: On your KSL podcast, I did leave a comment saying “hey, you can reach me. Umm, I’m the guy that got in an accident with him. I’ve been brought up a few times.” And uh, that was probably January of this year.

Dave Cawley: The comment was soon buried and I never saw it. Months went by. Season one of Cold came to an end. Still, I couldn’t shake the sense that I needed to find this driver. So, I turned to social media.

In the minutes immediately after the September crash, Josh’d snapped a photo from the passenger seat of his minivan. It showed the truck that’d hit him, that red GMC Sierra, as well as the other driver. The photo was still on Josh’s phone when detective Ellis Maxwell took it from him the day after Susan disappeared.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Let me see your phone.

Josh Powell(from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Why?

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Let me just see your phone. I’m going to hang onto it until we’re finished.

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): ‘Kay.

Dave Cawley: When digital forensics investigators went through Josh’s phone with a search warrant several months later, they recovered the picture. Nothing about it raised suspicion.

Jeff Lewis: I don’t think there was ever a sense of urgency to find me, y’know I had a minor brush-in with this guy.

Dave Cawley: And Jeff didn’t come forward on his own back then because he didn’t see how his encounter with Josh could have any relevance. He had no way of knowing that Josh’d used that crash to obtain a prescription for cyclobenzaprine, a muscle relaxant capable of knocking someone off their feet. He didn’t know about Josh’s suspicious shoulder injury, or the IME that suggested Josh was scamming the insurance company.

I had a copy of Josh’s photo, the one from his phone. Over the summer, I uploaded it to Facebook and Instagram, along with a plea for help identifying the man it showed.

Jeff Lewis: My wife actually shot me a picture of me standing outside of my truck. And I said “what the heck, where did you get this?” And she says “well it’s on Facebook. It’s on the, uh, Cold podcast Facebook.”

Dave Cawley: Jeff and I at last connected. He also provided documentation, which I was able to verify as authentic. He was the guy.

Jeff Lewis: But I just, y’know, always found it very interesting, umm, listening to the podcast, uh, being in an accident with this guy, I followed the case. Umm, it’s a heartbreaking situation.

Dave Cawley: When we spoke, Jeff shared feelings of frustration and remorse over how the entire situation had unfolded following Susan’s disappearance.

Jeff Lewis: I felt like, y’know as a father, that uh, the system had completely let those kids down. Umm, there was nothing they could do about Susan, but they, I feel like those kids could’ve been saved.

Dave Cawley: Josh Powell’s car crashes and the petty insurance claims he filed pale in comparison to tragedy of what eventually unfolded in the Powell family. But they help us understand his behavior. With the benefit of hindsight, we can now see the troubling ways in which he attempted to use people. It didn’t matter if those people were the strangers behind him in traffic, or the two children he shared with the woman he mistreated and likely murdered.

Dave Cawley: About a month before Susan Powell disappeared, she hosted a party at her home on Sarah Circle in West Valley City, Utah. The party wasn’t for a birthday or anything like that. It was a sales pitch. Susan had become interested in a multi-level marketing company called Wildtree. She wrote about it in an email to her work friend Linda Bagley in October of 2009.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from October 9, 2009 email): I went to a wild tree party, kind of interested in their product, or just the menu concept.

Dave Cawley: Wildtree pitched itself as a health-oriented meal planning service. Customers bought menus, oils and herbs for Wildtree recipes through representatives, who in turn received price breaks for bringing additional buyers and sellers into the organization.

Tempted by the prospect of getting Wildtree for cheap, Susan agreed to host a party at her own home on the night of November 4^th, 2009. She urged Linda to come.

Kristen Sorensen (as Susan Powell from October 9, 2009 email): It’s settled. I’m having a party b/c Josh didn’t get to taste it and it sounds like it would have something for you.

Dave Cawley: Social sales pitches were not really Linda’s kind of thing, but she went along with it to help her friend. Linda even ordered some Wildtree food. But in the days and weeks that followed the party, her package failed to arrive. Then, Susan disappeared. The Wildtree product at last delivered, it went to Josh. Detectives swarmed Susan’s office, interviewing her coworkers. Linda was among them.

Linda Bagley: I’d mentioned it in the, to the police that I had this product and that she hadn’t given me and I said I’d probably never see it. So, (laughs) but I had gotten Josh’s number and I called him and I left him a voicemail.

Dave Cawley: In her voicemail, Linda asked if there was any way she might be able to pick up her food order. Josh didn’t respond. He had other things on his mind at that point. Less than two weeks after his wife’s disappearance, Josh packed their sons Charlie and Braden into the family minivan and headed to Washington State. Linda figured that was the end of it. Then, a month after her friend vanished, something strange happened to Linda.

Linda Bagley: I was taking, uh, the weekend off … So I was in Idaho, at Costco with my mom actually and the phone rings and I look at the, umm, number and it says Josh Powell. And I’m like “ah,” y’know, “what do I say, what do I do, I got to act calm.” Y’know? I answered the phone and he said he’d found the stuff and he would be happy to drop it off.

Dave Cawley: Linda told Josh she was out of town, but he wasn’t bothered. He said he was back in Utah for a few days and would drop it off at her work. As I’ve recently learned, it was one of many, many drops Josh made after his wife vanished.

This is a bonus episode of Cold: Dumpster Drops. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: On the afternoon of January 7^th, 2010, Josh Powell stopped by the Wells Fargo call center where his missing wife Susan had worked. He ran into a security guard in the lobby and explained he had a package that he wanted to deliver to Linda Bagley. But Linda was in Idaho, as she’d told Josh on the phone.

Linda Bagley: I don’t know if he didn’t believe me and he was testing me, y’know, to see if I just didn’t want to see him or something. But he asked for me, even though I told him I wasn’t going to be there.

Dave Cawley: The security guard explained Josh could leave the package with the head of security, but that person was out of the office at the moment. Josh said he would wait. And so he did, right in the lobby. Word spread among Susan’s coworkers.

Salt Lake City dispatcher (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): 911, what is your emergency?

Dave Cawley: One even called 911.

Richard (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Josh Powell is in our building.

Salt Lake City dispatcher (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Who’s Josh Powell?

Richard (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Well, you’ve seen the news, the guy that supposedly abducted his wife and went camping with the kids.

Salt Lake City dispatcher (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Ok.

Richard (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): I mean, he’s not causing any problems but I’ve, we’ve seen him all over the news and stuff and he’s sitting down in our lobby just sitting there.

Dave Cawley: The coworker told a Salt Lake City police dispatcher it might be a good idea if detectives in neighboring West Valley knew Josh was there. The dispatcher contacted West Valley to ask if Josh was wanted.

West Valley police (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Yeah, no. As far as I’m aware, he’s just a person of interest. And the last I heard, he wasn’t — I mean, just between you and I — he wasn’t even living here, so—

Dispatcher (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Yeah, that’s what I, I mean, I’ve heard things just through work but not anything like, I don’t watch the news to see what they’re saying because, who knows anyway. So—

West Valley City police (from January 7, 2010 911 call recording): Yep.

Dave Cawley: The truth of the situation was, West Valley detectives had a good idea of where Josh was thanks to a GPS tracker they’d hidden on his minivan. But that was a closely guarded secret.

 When Linda returned to work, her boss’ boss asked her to come in for a sit-down with the head of security.

Linda Bagley: And so it’s like “ok.” And the security guy came in and he says, umm, “Josh Powell stopped by and wanted to give this to you and can you tell me more about what’s going on here?” (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Why was Linda receiving a gift from Josh Powell?

Linda Bagley: I think they suspected me for a minute as being maybe a mistress or another “oh here’s the sideline, oh look we found this new possible thing that,” y’know.

Dave Cawley: The head of security told Linda Josh had acted very odd, even becoming emotional. He asked her why.

Linda Bagley: Like “maybe you’d know more about why he would feel that way.” Y’know, and I’m like maybe he was thanking me because I didn’t accuse him and, (laughs) and y’know, I came out trying to be neutral and, and on his side like he wasn’t, hadn’t done anything, even though I suspected, I, I felt from the beginning that he had done everything that I still feel he did.

Dave Cawley: Linda did her best to explain, it was not a gift, just some product from a multi-level marketing thing she’d gone to. She eventually had to explain that again to West Valley police.

Linda Bagley: And they’re like “oh, ok.” But I think they suspected something more than there was. (Laughs)

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Dave Cawley: I mentioned the GPS tracker detectives placed on Josh’s minivan on December 8^th, 2009, the day after he returned from his outing on the Pony Express Trail claiming to have no clue where Susan might be.

Ellis Maxwell: So he’s got the umm, GPS tracker on his van.

Dave Cawley: Detective Ellis Maxwell, West Valley’s lead investigator on the Powell case, talked about the tracker in episodes 4 and 5 of Cold. It’s how police had known Josh took a drive out to West Wendover, Nevada and to a gravel pit on the Friday after Susan’s disappearance. Curious behavior that ultimately led detectives nowhere.

Ellis Maxwell: Just another situation, another possibility that we may catch a break or, uh, collect some more information to assist with the investigation and uh, he does nothing.

Dave Cawley: The particular device tucked away on Josh’s minivan wasn’t just some Garmin unit attached with duct tape. It had a specialized battery, capable of powering the tracker for weeks at a time. It also had a cell phone radio, so it could communicate with a server any time it was in range of cell towers.

Ellis Maxwell: We’ve got what’s called geo-fencing. And you can set boundaries. So if he crosses one of those boundaries then it will send you an alert.

Dave Cawley: Detectives would actually receive SMS text messages when the tracker left Salt Lake County or crossed state lines, for example. Every fix recorded by the tracker included a time stamp, right down to the second. If the tracker stopped moving, it could power itself down to save battery. Then, if it detected motion, it could power itself back up again. And police could log in to the server and see the tracker’s position in very close to real time.

Data from that GPS tracker was not included in the case file documents released by West Valley police when the Powell case went cold in 2013. To my knowledge, it’s never been examined by anyone outside of law enforcement. When I obtained copies of the tracking files several months back, that’s what I set out to do.

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Dave Cawley: Former FBI agent Greg Rogers spent most of his 30 years with the bureau serving undercover. He worked narcotics cases. He infiltrated biker gangs and militia groups. He posed as a hit man, repeatedly.

Greg Rogers: You’d be amazed how much work there is in that area.

Dave Cawley: To be honest, he kind of still looks the part: longer gray hair, leather vest, though it’s now under a sports coat now. I shared my findings from the review of the GPS data with Greg in part because he didn’t work the Powell case himself. I needed an objective perspective from someone who knows the tech and the tactics.

Greg Rogers: Police departments have analysts and somebody should have been tracking this information every day that should have been their job. Where’s he going? Where’s he stoppin’? And then the next logical question is “why is he doing that” and “what are we going to do based on his activity?”

Dave Cawley: Greg is also an expert on the criminal mind. He teaches a course at Utah Valley University to would-be cops.

Greg Rogers: I teach on criminal profiling and the, y’know, serial killers, psychopaths. So it’s, yeah, so it’s always been a real interest of mine.

Dave Cawley: By the time Greg and I sat down to talk, I’d already spent weeks going through the data. In December 2009 alone, the GPS device recorded tens of thousands of data points. To make sense of them, they needed to be reformatted. Twice. Only then could I bring the information into Google Earth with all of the metadata intact. It’s tedious work.

Point by point, I retraced the van’s moves, looking for anything that might have escaped the attention of investigators ten years ago. Some of the trips at first seemed random, until I noticed a pattern having to do with dumpsters. The first significant discovery appeared on Monday, December 14^th, 2009, one week after Susan disappeared.

The GPS tracker powered up just after 10 a.m. that morning, having detected motion. It moved west, away from the Powell family home on Sarah Circle, down 4100 South to a state highway on the far western side of the Salt Lake Valley called U-111. The minivan turned left onto U-111 at a T-intersection, heading south. It cruised along for about six miles, until it reached 7800 south. There, it pulled into an apartment complex called Serengeti Springs. At 10:23 a.m., the minivan pulled up to a dumpster in a back corner of the complex and stopped. Less than a minute later, it started moving again. It went directly back to Sarah Circle.

I showed this to Greg and asked what he made of it.

Greg Rogers: My guess would be that Powell had items that he believed contained DNA or other forensic evidence, and he’s getting rid of them. Based on the time and the fact that it’s a condo complex, people are coming and going, it wouldn’t look unusual for him to get out of the car with the garbage bags, be throwing them in a dumpster. Just look like anybody that lives there. Be a whole different thing to be trying to remove a body from your car to put in a dumpster. So my guess is he was using that dumpster to get rid of items from the home where I, of course, believe that he, uh, murdered Susan. That would be my first guess, that he was getting rid of whatever he used in that. He’s obviously had done enough research to know what would contain DNA and what could be harming to him. And he, he must have believed there was a search warrant coming.

Dave Cawley: In fact, West Valley police had already served two search warrants at the home. They’d also searched Josh’s van twice the week prior, once with his permission and the second time with a warrant. You might remember, it was during the warrant search of the minivan the day after Susan disappeared that detective Ellis Maxwell found a pair of trash bags.

Ellis Maxwell: When we get his van, not only did he clean it all out but he also had the garbage from inside the kitchen of the home, the garbage sack was in the van.

Dave Cawley: The second trash bag, tucked away in a storage space behind the minivan’s driver seat, held the melted metal item and burned drywall panels mentioned in Cold episode 5, the likely evidence that Josh had destroyed the night before with his oxyacetylene torch.

Ellis believed Josh had intended to toss those trash bags somewhere far away from the house, where detectives wouldn’t find them. But Ellis found them first. Based on the GPS data, it seems likely Josh had yet other items he wanted to ditch in a dumpster days later.

Back to the tracking data. On the afternoon of Wednesday, December 16^th, 2009, the minivan left the Sarah Circle house on another drive across the Salt Lake Valley. This time, in west south and east. It took a circuitous path into Sandy, a suburb nestled against the foot of the Wasatch Mountains. At 3:02 p.m., the minivan pulled into a parking stall at Flat Iron Mesa Park.

Dave Cawley: What do you see there?

Greg Rogers: Yeah, same thing, a dumpster and it’s no accident that these are not close to his residence.

Dave Cawley: Another dumpster.

Greg Rogers: Flat Iron Mesa, this is a big dog walking park. There’s a lot of people there. There’s gonna be a ton of cars, he could pull in there anytime you wanted to and walk over to that dumpster and wouldn’t attract any attention at all.

He’s not showing up at midnight. He’s not trying to uh, be there when nobody’s there, he doesn’t care. He’s picking places where, you know, he could open the back of his car, grab a garbage bag, walk to a dumpster and wouldn’t raise any suspicion at all.

Dave Cawley: The minivan left the park at 3:04 p.m., after a stop of just two minutes. It headed north, to the intersection of 900 East and 4500 South. The minivan came to a stop within line of sight of another dumpster behind a Walgreens pharmacy. The minivan circled the Walgreens, slowing as it went by the dumpster, but it didn’t actually stop.

Greg Rogers: That’s by a business?

Dave Cawley: Mmhmm.

Greg Rogers: That’s not by a, uh, residential neighborhood or a park. I bet there’s probably some signage on that dumpster that it’s not for public use or something like that. He didn’t want to attract attention. So he didn’t want to pull up there and put something in that dumpster. Because, somebody could have walked out of that business and said, 

“hey man, that’s, that’s our business.” And then they grabbed the bag. That’s a problem for him. So my guess is he got up there and saw that that was walled in and it wasn’t, you know, just publicly accessible. So he just kept driving.

Dave Cawley: Right into downtown Salt Lake City. At 500 South and Emery Street, it pulled into the parking lot of a church and once again cruised by, but did not stop at, a dumpster. Looking at satellite imagery, Greg noticed the dumpster outside the church was surrounded by a wall and fence.

Greg Rogers: You can see that it’s got doors on it that are closed, they may be locked. He’d already decided what dumpsters, what types of dumpsters he was going to use. And if he didn’t like what he saw, he just kept driving. He didn’t he didn’t have to be anywhere.

Dave Cawley: Instead of stopping at the church, the tracking data showed the minivan hopped a couple of blocks south to Poplar Grove Park. It pulled into the parking lot at 4:05 p.m. and remained there for about 12 minutes.

Greg Rogers: He obviously had more than one bag. He hit more than one dumpster. He had things all divvied up. He had a plan that he thought was genius. It was “this is how I’m going to hide this stuff. The cops are never going to figure this out.”

Dave Cawley: There aren’t any dumpsters at Poplar Grove Park. But on any day of the week, any time of year, there are plenty of garbage cans.

Greg Rogers: Public place, other cars there. People probably walking their dogs around there and be as you well know, when people are walking their dogs they pick up after their dogs, they use the garbage cans. Wouldn’t be at all unusual a walk up to one of those garbage cans and throw a bag in it.

Dave Cawley: Three confirmed stops near dumpsters or garbage cans, with several other dumpster drive-bys during the first two weeks following Susan’s disappearance. Yet, there are no mentions of this in West Valley police case files.

Greg Rogers: Question is, why wasn’t somebody on him and why weren’t they going through those dumpsters?

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Dave Cawley: The following day, on Thursday, December 17^th, 2009, West Valley police served their third search warrant at the Sarah Circle house. Josh wasn’t at home at the time. He’d left his boys there with his brother, Michael.

The GPS tracker revealed Josh didn’t go far. The minivan circled the neighborhood around the time detectives appeared at the house. It parked outside of one church, then another. To Greg, it appeared Josh was keeping an eye on the investigators.

Greg Rogers: Has an obvious need to be, uh, up to speed with what’s going on. Because a guy like Josh thinks he’s, uh, immeasurably smarter than these people that are working him, or that are working that case. So he’s just keeping tabs.

Dave Cawley: As the detectives tore through Josh and Susan’s medicine cabinet, the minivan headed east up 4100 South to Meier and Marsh Professional Therapies. It stopped there for over an hour and a half. That’s the physical therapy visit during which Josh was diagnosed with a rotator cuff strain or tear, an injury that escaped the notice of police.

Later that afternoon, Josh went to the bank where Susan had kept her handwritten last will and testament in a safe deposit box. Detectives had been there days earlier, emptying out the box. Josh spent more than hour at the bank, arranging to have Susan’s retirement accounts cashed out. On his way home, he drove by another dumpster outside Hunter Junior High School, then parked across the lot from it for 20 minutes.

Josh spent a good chunk of Friday, December 18^th, 2009 meeting with his attorney in downtown Salt Lake City. The tracking data showed the minivan parked outside the attorney’s office for over three hours. On his way back home, Josh stopped at the Mountain America Credit Union branch on 5600 West in West Valley City. That’s where he Susan did most of their banking. Financial records obtained by police with a subpoena showed that’s when Josh withdrew Susan’s final paycheck, which had come in a week earlier by direct deposit. He took $450 of it as cash and moved the remaining $227 into his checking account. Josh was preparing to leave Utah.

Greg Rogers: He was getting ready to go, no question. He’s getting ready to go after those search warrants. There’s nothing for him here. Y’know, he’s, you know, he’s gonna lose his job. Y’know, it was a lifelong pattern of his to retreat to his father’s house. And so that was going to happen.

Dave Cawley: Josh departed home shortly before 10 p.m. that night. The tracker showed that he drove to the parking lot of a strip mall at 5600 West and 3500 South. He parked next to a pair of dumpsters from 9:56 p.m. to 9:59 p.m.

Greg Rogers: Anything he thought could hurt him and those search warrants, he had bagged up and ready to go. And so he’s just, he’s just getting rid of stuff.

Dave Cawley: Then, the minivan headed north toward Interstate 80.

Greg Rogers: But then again, it begs the question how do you do that when they’re running search warrants and, yeah. Why isn’t someone following you around and doing dumpster dives after you’ve been there?

Dave Cawley: We don’t know whether or not West Valley police ever did dive these dumpsters, but if so they didn’t take any photos or keep any notes. In an email, police spokeswoman Roxeanne Vainuku told me “the absence of a location being documented in a log does not equate to investigators being unaware of the location.”

Just before reaching the freeway onramp, the minivan flipped a U-turn. It went right back to that same set of dumpsters. Had Josh forgotten something? Or perhaps checking to see if police were there, digging through the garbage?

They weren’t, but Greg couldn’t understand why not when I showed him the tracking data.

Greg Rogers: If you suspect that he’s going to all these dumpsters and you see all this tracking thing that the next thought should be “we need to find out what he’s throwing in there.” You don’t even need search warrants. Once he chucks it in the dumpster, it’s, you can dumpster dive.

Dave Cawley: Unless police didn’t happen to be watching the tracker at that time.

Greg Rogers: Somebody should have been, their whole job should have been this tracker.

Dave Cawley: Again, West Valley police spokeswoman Roxeanne Vianuku, by email, told me “any location where Powell visited, was subsequently visited by an investigator.” She added that during periods when Josh wasn’t under physical surveillance, the tracking data was downloaded “each day.”

Greg Rogers: And when you’ve got this tracker on him, it’s easy surveillance. You’re not going to get burned. Because you don’t need to be, y’know, following him close in a car. You could have planes up or you could even be a mile away with your laptop saying “oh look, he just hit another dumpster.” And then you send guys to that dumpster.

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Dave Cawley: After one last stop at the Sarah Circle house, the minivan made its way back to the freeway. It took the onramp to eastbound I-80 at 10:42 p.m. A late start for the long drive to Washington. The minivan cruised east to I-15, then north. Josh stopped for gas at a Pilot Travel Center in the town of Marriott-Slaterville, paying cash, then continued north to Tremonton. He took the split for I-84 westbound there.

The clock ticked past midnight. At 12:22 a.m. on Saturday, December 19^th, 2009, the minivan pulled off the freeway on Utah exit 20, just east of Rattlesnake Pass. It stopped briefly next to some roadside weeds, crossed under the freeway, doubled back and then took the westbound onramp at 12:28 a.m.

To Greg, it looked like perhaps Josh — or one of the boys — had just needed to relieve himself.

Greg Rogers: Pit stop or, which is probably what happened, but he could have also been cleaning himself, because he’s leaving unannounced, they’ve just run all these warrants. I’m sure he had some suspicion that they were following him to see if he was taking off. He might’ve even believed that, uh, they would attempt to arrest him if he was trying to leave the state. Who knows. But, having traveled with young children myself, (laughs) it could have just as easily been “hey dad, you know?” Yeah.

Dave Cawley: The minivan crossed the border into Idaho at 12:44 a.m. The GPS tracker sent out a text alert to the detectives. In West Valley case records, detective Ellis Maxwell wrote that the tracker lost cell service a short time later.

Josh continued driving. There’s very little to see between the town of Snowville, Utah and the Snake River near Rupert, Idaho, especially after dark. No towns, no truck stops and in 2009, limited cell service. But after crossing the Snake at 1:31 a.m., the minivan entered the fertile expanse of southern Idaho farmland between Burley and Bliss. It’s a region known as the “Magic Valley.” The minivan cruised right past a pair of off-ramps leading to Burley, logical places for a driver to pull off if gas or a pit stop were needed.

At 1:44 a.m., the minivan came to an abrupt stop at the side of the highway. It remained there for 10 minutes. Too short a time to sleep or even, say, to change a flat tire. So why did Josh stop?

It’s not clear.

Josh pulled back onto the roadway at 1:54 a.m., continuing west. The minivan passed by another freeway exit without stopping. It traveled seven miles until, at 2:01 a.m., Josh slammed on the brakes right as he passed over the top of the Milner-Gooding Canal. It was a rapid deceleration, from more than 70 miles per hour to a full stop about 335 feet past the bridge. The minivan remained there for five minutes.

Two strange stops in southern Idaho, just before and just after 2 a.m.

Greg Rogers: Those are unusual times for pitstop for the kids. My guess is, the age of those two boys they were asleep. So it’s, it’s very interesting. It’s by a canal. It’s a great place to dump something. Nobody’s ever going to find that if you know what you’re doing.

Dave Cawley: The canal in question diverts water from the Snake River to farms and ranches. It typically only flows from mid-March to mid-October. I recently visited the site. The canal wasn’t flowing, having been shut off for the winter. Still, a foot or so of murky green water occupied the bottom of the concrete-lined trench. Thick, high weeds surrounded its banks. Anything tossed in those weeds, or in the canal itself, would disappear from view of the traffic just feet away on the freeway.

Greg Rogers: I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he was still just getting rid of whatever he was getting rid of, ‘cause we have no idea what the murder weapon was. So, knife, gun, we know he’s not opposed to killing someone in a violent manner because he killed his children with an ax. But, could have been a ligature. Could have been a, a rope. Uh, you throw a rope in that canal, it’s gone. It’s never gettin’ found. And six minutes is plenty of time to walk from that car to that water.

Dave Cawley: This is speculation. There’s no evidence left to tell us one way or another what Josh Powell was doing during these two stops. But the time and location are suspicious.

Greg Rogers: He clearly had some reason for doing it. And he didn’t want people to know where he was stopping and the times he was doing stuff and, umm, y’know, again he, he had a plan that we’ll never know what it was but I can assure you that he thought it was absolutely brilliant. Wasn’t, he was getting tracked. But yeah, so, but he didn’t know that. So yeah.

Dave Cawley: He was getting tracked, but these two stops in Idaho and the December dumpster visits in Utah are not mentioned in West Valley police case files. I’m not sure if they were ever discovered by investigators or searched by dogs or detectives a decade ago.

Greg Rogers: From the beginning, everybody knew this was going to be a case you were going to have to prove on circumstantial evidence, the chances of finding the body were very slim.

Dave Cawley: I should point out, both locations are well within the range of the 807 miles traveled by Josh in a rental car 10 days earlier. You might remember he was unaccounted for for 18 hours. He came back on the grid while traveling south through Tremonton, Utah, as if returning from Idaho.

Greg Rogers: Proving a, a first-degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt without the body, without a murder weapon is difficult. So, but had you found bags full of forensic evidence that he’s getting rid of, that’s pretty helpful. I wasn’t aware that they had this tracking information. And to be brutally honest, being polite, it’s uh, it’s stunning. He was getting rid of evidence, no question.

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Dave Cawley: The remainder of Josh Powell’s December, 2009 drive to Washington State proved uneventful. He pulled off at a couple of rest stops, likely to sleep. And he started using his financial cards again once he was in Washington State.

A few weeks passed before Josh returned to Utah in the minivan. On that drive in early January of 2010, the minivan did not make any inexplicable stops on the side of the highway. It only ever left the interstate for gas, fast food or pit stops.

Josh arrived back at the Sarah Circle house with his brother, Michael on January 6^th, 2010. Media cameras were waiting when they pulled into the cul-de-sac.

Jennifer Stagg: I had been keeping in very close contact with a lot of sources who knew him and, uh, people who were very in-the-know. I guess, family members of both he and Susan and close family friends.

Dave Cawley: KSL TV reporter Jennifer Stagg had worked the Powell story from the beginning. She’d received a heads-up from a source about Josh’s travel plans.

Jennifer Stagg: I was so personally invested in this story because I had built relationships with everyone involved. Y’know, I had a relationship with his sister, Jennifer Graves. I had a relationship with the Hellewells.

Dave Cawley: But Josh wasn’t feeling talkative. He avoided the cameras. The next day, he dropped off Linda Bagley’s Wildtree order at Susan’s work, as I mentioned at the start of this episode. Then, on the morning of Monday, January 11^th, 2010, Josh drove the minivan from the Sarah Circle house to a strip mall at 5600 West and 3500 South. This was the same place where he’d stopped on his way out of town in December. Once again, the minivan made repeat visits to a series of dumpsters. And once again, there’s no indication these dumpsters were searched by police. To be fair, the media didn’t catch it, either.

Jennifer Stagg: He was really, really hard to track.

Dave Cawley: But of course, no reporter had a GPS tracker hidden on the minivan. The minivan also visited a U-Haul store on that Monday morning. That’s where Josh rented the truck and trailer he used to empty out the house.

Jennifer Stagg: The turning point for me was when he packed up and moved out of his house.

Dave Cawley: Once again, Josh didn’t talk to the reporters who stood at the curb, observing as his soon-to-be former neighbors loaded the U-Haul.

Jennifer Stagg: I think I actually asked him at one point, like, “if Susan’s missing, what if she comes home and you’re not here? What if she comes home and you’re not here?” And he didn’t answer me. He just kept going. But in my head, that’s what I’m thinking, like, “you don’t pack up your house and move out of state with your kids if your wife is missing,” right?

Dave Cawley: When Josh and Michael departed Utah in the U-Haul, they left Josh’s minivan in the garage of the Sarah Circle house. The GPS tracker went dormant.

This next period in late January is when Josh’s sister Jennifer Graves went to confront him in Washington while wearing a wire. In that recording, Josh discussed the drive in the U-Haul.

Kirk Graves (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): Did Mike drive part of the way? Did he really?

Dave Cawley: He told his brother-in-law Kirk Graves that he and Michael and traded off time at the wheel.

Josh Powell (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): Yeah, Mike shouldn’t be driving the truck.

Kirk Graves (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): Is that one of your new toys, Charlie? Oh my goodness.

Kirk Graves (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): I’m not sure Mike should be driving anything. But—

Kirk Graves (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): (Laughs) He does have kind of a bad track record, doesn’t he?

Josh Powell (from January 22, 2010 wire recording): I’m just kidding. He’d probably drive just fine but, but he’s just not comfortable in the truck so it is…

Dave Cawley: Josh needed to get his minivan back, and he needed to finish getting the Utah house ready for renters. So, Josh boarded a Southwest Airlines flight on the evening of Thursday, January 28^th, 2010. Before flying out of SeaTac, he called his Utah neighbors John and Kiirsi Hellewell. He asked them to pick him up from Salt Lake City International, which they agreed to do.

Kiirsi Hellewell: I was thinking, if I try to pretend to be his friend still and stay on his good side, he has a lot more chance of talking to me than if I scream in his face and grab his coat and say “where’s Susan?”

Dave Cawley: But John and Kiirsi were playing both sides. Kiirsi sent an email to West Valley police detective Ellis Maxwell to let him know Josh was coming back into town. John sent a text to Jennifer Stagg.

Jennifer Stagg: I mean, nobody wanted to get to the truth more than they did, right? And so they very much we’re working with me, closely. And so yeah, they were like “come (laughs), be here at this time.”

Dave Cawley: Josh’s flight arrived at around 9:30 p.m. Jennifer and a TV photographer were waiting.

Jennifer Stagg: I kind of wanted him to know that we were keeping close tabs without spooking him. And then, yeah, we headed over to baggage claim and waited for him to come down that escalator.

(Sound of escalator)

Dave Cawley: The escalator she’s talking about carries passengers down from the TSA security checkpoint to the baggage carousels.

Jennifer Stagg: And you can see everything below. And I have jet-black hair. I’m pretty recognizable. And the minute his eyes went on me, you saw that, like, it was like a ghost. He went white. And he knew why I was there. We made eye contact, yeah? We made eye contact and he was kind of like “oh my gosh.” You saw this moment of like “what is happening?” And I think at that moment he realized that we were following him, like, we were tracking everything that we could that he was doing and it definitely spooked him.

(Sound of baggage carousel)

Jennifer Stagg: There’s nowhere to hide and it puts you kind of right in the middle of the action at the bottom of that escalator so, yeah, there was no way getting around talking to me in some way.

Dave Cawley: Josh had no need to wait around. He hadn’t checked a bag or even packed a toothbrush. He dodged Jennifer’s questions while looking for John Hellewell.

Jennifer Stagg: I realized pretty fast he was not going to talk to me and then he just bee-lined out of there.

Dave Cawley: Josh turned to John and asked “how did they find out?” John replied “someone on the plane must have recognized you and called.”

In Josh’s absence, Susan’s friends and neighbors had plastered the front of the Sarah Circle house with purple ribbons and paper hearts. Paint on the windows carried messages like “we miss you” and “we love you Susan.” Signs on the front lawn read “we will find you” and “we will bring you home.” These messages confronted Josh when he arrived at the house. He took out his camera and took photos of the decorations.

The next day, West Valley police obtained another search warrant for Josh’s minivan. On the prior searches, they’d failed to pull the air filter from the engine bay. Detectives hoped the filter and door jambs might hold dust or particles that could show where the van had been when Susan disappeared.

They took the minivan to serve the warrant. Josh complained to his dad about it, as Steve Powell later told the FBI.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Y’know, when they first got there they wanted his, his van again and they took the air filter out I guess and don’t ask me what that’s all about since he’s gone all the way from Utah to, to Puyallup and back in the van since this tragedy began.

Russ Johnson (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Oh yeah? When, when did he do that?

Dave Cawley: The air filter didn’t hold anything useful, but the warrant service wasn’t a total bust. While police had the van, the FBI also planted a second GPS tracker on it. This was a major win for police, because their original court order authorizing the GPS tracking was due to expire in just days. The federal order for the second tracker extended that ability for at least another month and a half.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the tracking files from the FBI’s device. The final date for which I currently have tracking data is February 7^th, 2010.

That date happens to be an important one.

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Dave Cawley: Just after midnight on that Sunday morning, the minivan made its way north up 5600 West, as if it were headed to Susan’s work or Interstate 80. This time, it didn’t go either of those places. Instead, the minivan turned west onto California Avenue. It went about half a mile, stopping just shy of the entrance to the Salt Lake Valley Solid Waste landfill. It pulled into to a small parking lot under a high voltage power pole. A green sign at the entrance of the fenced lot read “recycling drop-off center.” The minivan pulled up to a set of large industrial dumpsters and stopped. It remained there for 14 minutes.

Afterward, Josh grabbed some Del Taco and drove back to the Sarah Circle house. Then, he hit the road for Washington. Another late-night departure. The minivan made three unusual stops as it passed through Utah’s Weber Valley in those early morning hours. First, it exited northbound I-15 at 12th Street, turned around and jumped right back on the freeway. It did the same thing at the next exit to the north, Pioneer Road.

I showed this to Greg Rogers, the former FBI undercover agent.

Greg Rogers: That just looks like cleaning to me.

Dave Cawley: “Cleaning.” Josh making sure he was not being followed.

The third stop came at 2700 North in the community of Farr West. The minivan left the freeway and drove directly to the back side of a burger restaurant. It pulled up at a dumpster. Next, the minivan moved east. It drove into the lot of a plumbing supply store and once again stopped at a dumpster.

Remember, this happened a full two months into the search for Susan.

Greg Rogers: Classic paranoia, even though this is later, they’re still searching his vehicle. And he is thinking all day every day about what could they find in my, in my house or in my, any of my cars, anywhere else that they could put on me. So, that’s what he’s doing. He’s just coming up with, stuff he hadn’t thought of earlier.

Dave Cawley: Police had served three search warrants at Josh and Susan’s house. They’d searched his van repeatedly. And Josh had made multiple suspicious trips to dumpsters. What could he have possibly still had to dispose of at that point?

Greg Rogers: At this stage of the game he’s already gotten rid of anything he thinks that’s got DNA on it or that’s linking him to the homicide. But uh, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have other stuff that he doesn’t want law enforcement to ever find. Yeah, and as we know from his father’s behavior and his, hiding an SD card in your house, finding that on a search warrant, that’s tough. You don’t have to be very bright to hide that where it’s not going to be located by law enforcement. He could’ve had stuff like that, from who knows what uh, his, his and his father’s predilections with cameras are well known. It could have been something that simple, which is very easy to hide, much more difficult to locate.

Dave Cawley: West Valley police did catch a whiff of what Josh was up to, or at least a small piece of it. Case records show that the next morning, detective David Greco logged in to check the tracking data. He noticed the midnight stop at the recycling drop-off near the county landfill. Police rushed out to inspect the site. They peered into each of dumpsters: one for cardboard, one for plastic, one for glass. But no evidence. Unfortunately, the case records suggest they missed catching the stops at dumpsters farther the north, out of town, in the Weber Valley.

Looking at the data now, 10 years after Susan’s disappearance, it seems a critical oversight. When I notified West Valley police of these findings, police spokeswoman Roxeanne Vianuku told me by email “the hindsight of a reporter in 2019 does not always equate to mistakes made by investigators a decade ago.”

I’ll be the first to admit, it’s a lot easier to see this stuff in hindsight once you know what you’re looking for. Detectives at the time had a lot on their plates. They were already searching mines, interviewing and re-interviewing friends and neighbors, serving subpoenas and pouring over records. I asked Greg if GPS tracking might sometimes lead overworked investigators to feel they have a safety net.

Greg Rogers: That’s one way to look at it but it’s incorrect.

Dave Cawley: Greg said it’s not enough in criminal cases to just show where a person went. It has to be backed up with other evidence, like photos, eyes-on surveillance, a wiretap or a dumpster dive to recover discarded evidence. But think about all of the dumpsters I’ve described in this episode. There’s a pattern of behavior there. Certainly, prosecutors could have used that against Josh in a criminal trial, right?

Greg Rogers: They’d bring it up. But you know, the defense attorney would say? Good defense counsel would get up on cross examination right after the, some cop said “he went to this dumpster went to that dumpster.” I wouldn’t want to be that police officer because the question you’re going to get on cross is “well, did you check what he put in the dumpster? Did you actually see him put anything in the dumpster? Can you say, for sure that he even did put anything in the dumpster?” The answer to all those questions is no. The prosecutor may not bring it up for that reason, because they would know you’re going to get pounded for not checking those dumpsters. That’s a, that’s a huge misstep.

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Dave Cawley: A few minutes ago, I mentioned the decorations Susan’s friends and neighbors had placed outside the Sarah Circle house in Josh’s absence. We can only guess what he must have thought about them.

Josh Powell (from February 24, 2010 video recording): Clearly, it’s a targeted, no doubt a hate campaign.

Dave Cawley: Apparently we don’t have to guess. Josh recorded this video to tell us what he thought of all the posters, fliers and ribbons.

Josh Powell (from February 24, 2010 video recording): And we believe that that is because they want to spread hate.

Dave Cawley: Josh filmed this from the driver seat of his minivan after returning to Washington in February. He and his brother Michael drove around their neighborhood, noting how people had taped fliers with Susan’s name and face to mailboxes, light poles and signposts. This made him angry, because the fliers were placed where he was sure to see them.

Josh Powell (from February 24, 2010 video recording): So, clearly it’s not an effort to find Susan. It’s clearly a target effort to act as a reminder for us and our neighbors.

Dave Cawley: At one point in the video, Josh even described the fliers as “an assault.”

Josh Powell (from February 24, 2010 video recording): Charlie and Braden don’t understand why the people keep doing this. And they don’t really need to understand the full situation. And it’s sick for these people to try to push this situation on them.

Dave Cawley: Again, Josh recorded this in Washington, not Utah. But it sheds light on how he viewed the broader community’s response to Susan’s disappearance. He believed the so-called “hate campaign” went back to one man: Susan’s dad.

Josh Powell (from February 24, 2010 video recording): Clearly, Chuck Cox needs to get his organization under control. If he doesn’t know about this, fine. But he will be aware of it soon ‘cause we’re gonna be telling him.

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Dave Cawley: Josh Powell made one other drive between Washington and Utah that deserves a closer look. I mentioned it in episode 9 of Cold. It occurred just before Mother’s Day, in May of 2010. You might remember, police were surveilling Josh as he made an unexpected trip from his dad’s house to the Sarah Circle house.

Derryl Spencer: Josh left the house and we started to follow him and we followed him all the way back to Salt Lake City. So that was, I mean, I literally drove to Puyallup, Washington one day and then we drove back to Salt Lake the next day.

Dave Cawley: That’s U.S. Marshal Derryl Spencer, who took part in the operation with West Valley officers.

Derryl Spencer: Extremely hard to watch him ‘cause y’know he’s of course driving exactly 65 miles an hour the whole way and (laughs) to follow someone clandestine, y’know secretively, through multi-state was extremely difficult, but we did it.

Dave Cawley: The FBI’s tracking order was expiring.

Derryl Spencer: We couldn’t lose him because we didn’t know where he was going or what he was doing.

Dave Cawley: What Josh was doing was grabbing the last of his and Susan’s personal belongings from the Sarah Circle house.

As Josh approached the Salt Lake Valley on Utah’s Legacy Parkway, he started snapping photos on a Nikon DSLR from the driver seat of his minivan. Police didn’t realize this until more than a year later, after they seized Josh’s computers from his dad’s home with a search warrant on August 25^th, 2011. That’s when they recovered copies of those photos.

The pictures Josh took have never been released. I was able to retrieve copies with the help of digital forensics experts Trent Leavitt and Kaly Richmond from the firm Eide Bailey. They donated time, expertise and equipment to the effort.

The camera Josh used did not have GPS capability, so there are no coordinates hidden in metadata. But I’ve managed to geolocate all of them using a combination of Google Earth and Street View imagery. They show Josh did not drive directly to his and Susan’s home in West Valley. Instead, he first pulled into the International Center, a business park west of Salt Lake City International Airport.

He took a few photos in the parking lot of an office building on Wright Brothers Drive, then went around the block to the Wells Fargo call center where Susan had worked. Timestamps on the photos show he only stayed there for about two minutes. Then, he drove to his old work at Aspen Logistics. All along the way, Josh took pictures, of nothing in particular. Just streets, road signs and traffic. Same thing after he left Aspen and drove to the Sarah Circle house. Pictures of nothing.

Josh packed the minivan to the brim. When he departed for Washington late that same night, a roof box and an old bicycle were on top. A tow hitch cargo carrier hung off the back, loaded down with two large, blue plastic barrels. Police tailed him into Idaho, keeping an eye from a distance.

Derryl Spencer: That made it extremely easy to watch him from a distance ‘cause you had, y’know this, this large 55-gallon drum on top of a minivan cruising, y’know, northbound on 65. So, y’know, I’m glad the, that the uh, blue 55-gallon drum was there to help us out.

Dave Cawley: Police surveillance logs showed Josh pulled off of I-84 at exit 194 in southern Idaho at about 2:20 a.m. He slept there until 10:30 a.m.

That exit is just two miles beyond the canal where Josh had stopped for five minutes at 2 a.m. on his December 2009 drive to Washington.

After waking on that May morning, Josh proceeded westbound on I-84 toward Boise. He’d only gone about 10 miles before he stopped. He took his camera, stepped out of the minivan and walked into the weeds alongside the interstate. Josh took four photos of a farmer’s field. On it were irrigation sprinklers, covered in ice. Maybe it’s a clue. Or maybe it’s unrelated to anything having to do with Susan.

Greg Rogers: He could’ve been driving by this and thought, as, as unusual as it would seem to you and I, he could be driving by that and go “oh, that looks cool.” And he believes he’s a phenomenal photographer, and he likes the ice the way it’s coming off the wheels of the watering stuff and so he’s like “yeah, I’ll stop and take that.”

Dave Cawley: Greg Rogers, the former FBI undercover agent, told me he doesn’t believe Josh’s brain functioned the way yours or mine might.

Greg Rogers: You have to understand he, he has no remorse at all for killing Susan. All of this that’s happening to him now is just inconvenient. But it has nothing to do with him feeling badly about what he did. So if he sees something that interests him, y’know, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he saw that was a cool pic.

Dave Cawley: A few hours down the road and Josh stopped again. This time in Oregon, north of Ontario in rural Malheur County. He shot more photos of the scenery at the side of the road. I mentioned these shots in episode 15 of Cold. Since that time, I’ve had the opportunity to visit the site myself. It sits at the crest of a hill, surrounded by more hills. Ranch land of the old Oregon Trail. A vista bare of trees. To the east, the land falls away into a tributary of the Snake River called Wheel Gulch.

Josh took 11 pictures there: many of his van, others of the landscape, one of a soaring hawk. The photos have not previously been published, but you can see them now at thecoldpodcast.com. Ask yourself as you look at them: what might have Josh been thinking as he stood there, wind in his hair, road noise roaring behind him? Was this just his art?

Greg Rogers: That would make perfect sense to him. To you or I, we’d think “wow, how can you be interested in art or photography or” you, you murdered your wife brutally. But to an absolute psychopath, that’s just an inconvenient fact.

(Sound of wind chimes at Woodbine Cemetery)

Dave Cawley: Our story now returns to where it started: the Woodbine Cemetery and Puyallup, Washington. On December 6^th, 2012, Susan’s family and friends gathered at the cemetery to mark the third anniversary of her disappearance. A new monument stood at the top of the hill, above Charlie and Braden’s gravesite. The bronze angel with outstretched wings and arms stood atop a large stone block. It was an Angel Of Hope, a reference to the novel “The Christmas Box” by author Richard Paul Evans.

Nancy: It’s a calm place for me. It feels right that these boys are here because it’s so quiet and calm. Because when I met them it wasn’t quite that way.

Dave Cawley: This monument in Puyallup has become a special place to reflect for people who knew Susan, Charlie or Braden. People like Nancy from the Puyallup Gem and Mineral Club. Or Pierce County Sheriff’s detective sergeant Gary Sanders.

Gary Sanders: Y’know it’s, it’s one of those bookmarks in your, in, in your long line of memory that forever will be there so, periodically, y’know yeah, pay your respects. And the Christmas angel that’s there and it’s a beautiful place, umm, and hopefully they’re at peace now.

Dave Cawley: This is Cold, Episode 18, Angel of Hope. I’m Dave Cawley. Back after this.

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Dave Cawley: The sting of loss has never gone away for the people who loved Susan and her boys, friends like Amber Hardman.

Amber Hardman: They were happy boys. Crazy, happy boys, like boys should be. (Laughs) Right? We’d show up and, umm, they’d always be running around playing, sometimes in their underwear. Y’know, just crazy boys. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Or Linda Bagley.

Linda Bagley: One of the biggest things I remember about Susan that was something to look up to for me was the service she did for others. She was coloring people’s hair, cutting people’s hair, not charging them. For those that were older, for those that were, needed it maybe that didn’t have the funds, she did all those things for people. And she did all those things for her family, all the service she did for her family and stuff and, and that is something to be admired.

Dave Cawley: Or Debbie Caldwell.

Debbie Caldwell: Charlie liked bugs. He liked to find bugs. He was outdoors, umm, intrigued by things, so he was always looking for things. Now, Braden was all about cars and blocks. So as long as I had the cars and blocks, that was great. But Braden actually had quite a little witty personality. He was kind of a teaser. He liked to tease. You could see that in his personality. That was kind of like Susan, too.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s older sister, Jennifer Graves, still grieves for what should have been: seeing Charlie and Braden grow into bright, happy young men.

Jennifer Graves: The boys’ murder wasn’t the end. It did, it did close a chapter for me, though. Because the single biggest single thing that I was concerned about was the boys. I wanted them to get out of that situation and not continue to perpetuate this violent cycle that was continuing through my family. And I wanted them to be able to have a, a normal, loving family relationship as, as much as possible.

Dave Cawley: I’ve mentioned Jennifer’s book, A Light in Dark Places, a few times during this podcast. Jennifer told me she hoped that in writing it, she might inspire women in situations like Susan’s to escape.

Jennifer Graves: Part of the motivation for writing my book was trying to instill that courage in others. And that recognition of a bad situation and realizing, the realization that it shouldn’t go on. There needs to be a change in that situation, and sometimes it can be corrected. Sometimes with help people can change and, and you can fix the situation and end up with a good and positive marriage and, and family situation. But sometimes, it isn’t possible. Sometimes the right decision is to get out.

Dave Cawley: Susan’s dad, Chuck Cox, has a similar goal.

Chuck Cox: I would guess probably around 100 people at least have made differences in their lives to prevent themselves from being caught in that same trap. And that’s the reason, the only viable reason for doing it from now on is to let people know about the danger signs that were there.

Dave Cawley: Now-retired detective Ellis Maxwell has also spent the last few years working on a book.

Ellis Maxwell: I thought I could have that thing written in six months but it’s tough because I catch myself basically just start working the case again and analyzing this data and analyzing that and it becomes really taxing. I mean, I’d sit down and I’d start typing and I’ll type and type and type and do this and do that and then next thing you know, I can’t sleep for two, three days.

Dave Cawley: Ellis told me our conversations have helped.

Ellis Maxwell: Sittin’ here and, y’know, meeting with you and answering your questions and sharing some insight has, it’s actually been, uh, beneficial for me and it’s helped me kinda get through my own struggles from doing it. ‘Cause it’s, it’s always going to be there, it’s never gonna go away.

Dave Cawley: But Ellis is just one of many, many people who took part in the Powell investigation. A lot of them still carry the weight of their experiences in a private.

Ellis Maxwell: Everybody involved in the case has, uh, has struggled at one point or another with and, y’know, ‘cause it’s really super challenging and all of ‘em, not just me, y’know, are gonna have to answer questions and live with this case for the rest of their lives as well. Especially when people learn that, how close to the investigation they were.

Dave Cawley: Of course, a key element of that struggle arises from the absence of answers.

Ellis Maxwell: There’s answers that I’ll, uh, never ever get and, y’know, there’ll never be any justice, uh, held against anybody for their actions and y’know the likelihood of, uh, Susan ever being discovered is in my personal opinion, uh, very super low.

Dave Cawley: This is the part where I’m supposed to say I’ve cracked the case, that I’ve found Susan, that she can at last rest in peace with her boys. I’m sorry. I can’t do that. I wish I could. Instead, I’m going to do what reporters are trained not to do. I’m going share my personal views, what I think likely happened to Susan. But I stress, this is a theory. It’s based on evidence and inference but is ultimately nothing more than an educated guess, one that is subject to change. Here goes.

I believe Josh Powell killed Susan. I believe it was crime he considered for quite some time, likely more than two years. I say that because of the steps he took as early as 2007 to obtain life insurance in her name, to establish a trust that would guarantee his access to that money and to secure power of attorney so he could take legal action in her name.

We know from Steve Powell’s journals that Josh spoke in 2008 of wanting Susan to have an “accident.” We know from Susan’s handwritten will that she feared Josh would kill her and that he would try to make it appear as though it were an accident. It seems likely that Josh had threatened Susan’s life repeatedly. Recognizing that danger, Susan had told an old friend in a November, 2008 Facebook message she was ready to make a hasty escape with her sons.

Kristin Sorenson (as Susan Powell from August 15, 2008, Facebook message): I have friends he would never think of if I need to leave in the middle of the night or whatever, a safe deposit box, docs on file, etcetera.

Dave Cawley: Susan had toed right up to the brink of divorce. Her efforts to assert her independence howled around Josh like warning shots over the bow of a ship. He knew what was coming. Josh would not tolerate a divorce. He’d seen just how ugly his own parents’ split had been. He also viewed Susan as his property and their two sons as extensions of himself. Under no circumstance would he allow her custody of them.

For Josh, killing Susan would’ve seemed to solve two problems. It would’ve rid him of a wife he no longer wanted and, if done properly, would’ve paid his bills for years to come.

I’m not sure why December 6^th, 2009 was the date he chose to take the final step, but Susan’s impending April deadline for divorce seems a probable factor in the decision.

As for the act itself, I believe Josh used some sort of drug or substance to incapacitate Susan. I can envision a scenario in which Josh intentionally brake-checked another driver a few months before that December day, causing a crash. We know for a fact that after that fender-bender on September 2^nd, Josh obtained a prescription for a drug that would do the job: cyclobenzaprine.

The script he filled the day of the crash was for 40 pills, enough to last about a week. When police later found the bottle in the Sarah Circle house in December, it still held 32 pills. If Josh had been in such pain from whiplash, wouldn’t he have taken more? And how many cyclobenzaprine pills would he’ve needed to crush up and put into the cream cheese on Susan’s pancake — the one he personally prepared for Susan on December 6^th — to leave her feeling tired? 

Susan once mentioned in a Facebook message Josh did not have a gun.

Kristin Sorenson (as Susan Powell from August 15, 2008, Facebook message): No weapons aside from power tools and kitchen knives.

Dave Cawley: It seems plausible that Josh might have used one of his tools, perhaps an electric drill, to kill Susan.

Susan Cox Powell (from July 29, 2008 home video): Every tool case, I mean he’s a tool dream guy. There’s a Bostich nail gun, a Milwaukee drill, a Rigid drill, some type of Rigid sander and a Rigid saw.

Dave Cawley: Josh might’ve used the Rug Doctor he’d acquired to steam clean any blood that made it onto the carpet or couch cushions. Perhaps that job took longer than he anticipated. In his rush, he could’ve missed a spot: the swipe mark of Susan’s blood on the upper head rest of the couch. There were also those small drops of Susan’s blood on the tile floor next to the couch that he failed to notice, perhaps scattered by a spinning drill bit.

It would’ve also taken time to wrap Susan’s body, a necessary step to prevent the spreading of forensic evidence. It’s possible he used one of the several tarps he kept in the garage. Maybe he used the tree wrap he’d purchased to lightly bind Susan’s arms and legs together, leaving no marks or residue, as duct tape might.

In this scenario, Josh would’ve grabbed Susan’s cell phone and powered it off, understanding the risk of it being tracked as he moved her body away from the house. But in his rush to clean and dump the body before heading out on his camping trip, which was to be his alibi, he might’ve overlooked Susan’s wallet, purse and keys. That, in and of itself, might not have been a big problem in his mind. I believe Josh expected he’d have time to return home and tie up loose ends before himself reporting Susan had not come home from work.

He probably didn’t account for Debbie Caldwell. Josh did not like Debbie much. If he’d ever bothered to get to know her better, he might’ve realized that she took the wellbeing of her daycare kids very seriously, that Charlie and Braden’s unexplained absence would cause alarm.

Debbie Caldwell: He didn’t think of the welfare and the wellbeing of the kids.

Dave Cawley: It’s likely Josh was on his way home to finish cleaning up on the afternoon of December 7^th when he took that first phone call from JoVanna Owings. He learned at that moment police were already looking for Susan. Worse yet, they’d already been in the house.

JoVanna Owings: I still can’t figure out how he thought. It leaves me at, at a loss.

Dave Cawley: In another phone conversation that afternoon, Josh asked his sister Jennifer Graves, what she knew. 

Jennifer Graves: Just more evidence. More evidence that he had this preconceived plan and was involved in her disappearance.

Dave Cawley: If he’d hidden the murder away until he could return home and dispose of it, he might have feared that police had already found it. So Josh went on the defensive. His plan appeared to hinge on the idea that Susan had gone to work. In order to sell that story, he drove south to Point of the Mountain and called her phone, the one he knew was with him in the minivan, to leave this message.

Josh Powell (from December 7, 2009 voicemail recording): Anyway, hopefully you got to work ok and, umm, of course give me a call. We’re I guess planning picking you up, but let me know ‘cause, umm, if you have plans afterwards or whatever.

Dave Cawley: Josh then drove north to Salt Lake City and parked outside of Susan’s work, knowing full well she’d not shown for her shift that day and would not be coming out for a ride home. I place a lot of weight on this. Establishing that Susan had gone to work seemed critical to Josh. He insisted on it from his very first interactions with detective Ellis Maxwell.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 7, 2009 police interview recording): So where, where would your wife be at? Where would you think she’d be at?

Josh Powell (from December 7, 2009 police interview recording): I don’t know. I’m just thinking on her way to work. But not for this long.

Dave Cawley: That insistence leads me to believe Josh intended for Susan’s body to be found and for her death to have appeared as either an accident or as a random act of violence, one for which Josh had an alibi: he was in the desert, witnessed by sheepherders, when it happened.

Susan being found and her death being someone’s fault would’ve been necessary if Josh intended to claim the life insurance. In this scenario, Josh would’ve left Susan’s body somewhere near the Wells Fargo call center where she’d worked. Charlie, if he was awake and in the minivan at the time, might have seen an airplane taking off from nearby Salt Lake City International Airport. And that could explain his perplexing comment to police on December 8th about having flown in an airplane to go camping.

Kim Waelty (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): How did you guys get to where you were camping?

Charlie Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Umm, we got in a airplane and a airplane went to Dinosaur National Park.

Kim Waelty (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Oh, you went to an airplane yesterday?

Charlie Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Yeah and our airplane bring us to Dinosaur National Park.

Dave Cawley: After Josh’s first interview with Ellis Maxwell on the night of the 7^th, he’d have returned home still convinced he could make the plan work. His top priority would’ve been the destruction of the murder weapon. I believe Josh took the weapon, again, possibly a power tool, and used his oxyacetylene torch to obliterate it in the garage of the Sarah Circle house.

Next, Josh would’ve sanitized everything: the Rug Doctor, the minivan, the soiled washcloths he’d left in the bathtub. He’d have stayed up all night to do it, even missing his morning appointment with police to make sure he did not miss anything. I believe Josh went in to his second interview with Ellis on December 8 cautious, but confident.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): She’s left your boys, she’s left you.

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): (Snorting) No, I don’t think she did.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): You don’t think so?

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): No.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Help me. Where should we look for her?

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): I think she would have gone to work—

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Ok.

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): —she would have tried to work.

Ellis Maxwell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): Alright.

Josh Powell (from December 8, 2009 police interview recording): I mean, that’s what she would have been in the process of doing.

Dave Cawley: By the end of that interview, Josh would’ve known the plan, like his wife, was dead. Ellis knew he’d killed Susan, but not how. And he didn’t have the evidence. When Ellis confronted Josh with Charlie’s statement about Susan having gone camping with them, Josh recognized the police did not yet know what had actually happened. Because Susan had not gone out to the West Desert with them. At that point, Josh would’ve known if he were to survive, the plan had to change. Susan would have to disappear forever.

So, on the night of December 8^th, Josh obtained the rental car. He drove to the ATM outside of his bank in West Valley and withdrew about $600 in cash.

I believe it’s plausible Josh could’ve then returned to where he’d originally left Susan’s body, retrieved it and moved it to a place where it would be safe from discovery. Somewhere within a slightly less than 400-mile radius of West Valley City, Utah. Probably up north, in one of the dark stretches of southern Idaho. In that frantic process, he strained his shoulder.

During this timeframe, Josh told his own father the same story he’d told the police. Steve Powell was skeptical. But he had no foreknowledge of the murder and no hand in its execution.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I think we’ll find her, I really do.

Dave Cawley: Over the course of the following weeks and months, Steve concocted an alternate reality in mind, rather than face the horrible truth that his son had murdered the object of his unrequited obsession.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I mean Josh, I, I, I am totally comfortable that he had nothing to do with it.

Dave Cawley: The only person Josh confided in was his brother, Michael. Michael’s phone records suggest he was aware of his brother’s plan and, when it went awry, accepted the task of helping Josh manage the mess. I do not believe Michael met Josh on December 8th or 9th, while Josh was unaccounted for in the rental car. I do not believe Michael disposed of Susan’s body. I say this, because Steve Powell’s journals describe Michael as being home in Puyallup on those days.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I got the impression that the first day he was expecting her to come back because she occasionally left and sometimes he didn’t always know where whereabouts for periods of, y’know, a few hours or, or whatever. And umm, as time went on, I got the impression that he was just getting more and more upset and distraught. By the end of the week, he was in tears. And that’s when I remember, because that’s when, uh, I went down there.

Dave Cawley: So how do I account for Michael’s later paranoia about his Ford Taurus, or the cadaver dog hitting on the car’s trunk?

Dave Lindell: You know I guess you have to wonder, was it purely because of possible car problems he wanted to sell the car, or did he just want to get out of the car? ‘Cause I remember that when we checked the car out, we couldn’t really find that much wrong with the car.

Dave Cawley: I find it likely that while Utah, Josh tasked Michael with disposing of some piece of secondary evidence. Perhaps clothing Susan had been wearing when she died or something similar. Michael might’ve even been taking that object back to Washington in the Taurus when his car broke down. I can imagine Michael’s fear, standing along the side of I-84 between Ontario and Baker City while in possession of murder evidence, wondering if an Oregon state trooper might at any moment pull up behind him. I can picture Michael flinging whatever that item was into the grass alongside the highway before limping the car the rest of the way to Baker City. It would then make sense for Josh to stop at that same spot five months later and take photographs, to ensure whatever it was Michael dumped could not be seen from the interstate.

I do not believe Susan’s body is in Utah’s West Desert. I don’t think Josh disposed of her in a mine. So where is she? 

Louis Amodt: Could be in a borrow pit right next to the freeway, somewhere between here and Wendover. Who knows?

Dave Cawley: After all of this, I can only guess.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, so I have empathy for the Coxes. I mean that’s, I can’t imagine, y’know, losing a child and, y’know, never being able to see them again or put them to rest or not ever have any answers. That would be something I wouldn’t, uh, wish upon my worst enemy. That’s just horrible.

Dave Cawley: Find Susan. It remains a hope, a wish, a command, a desperate plea. Final thoughts after this.

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Dave Cawley: The question of where to find Susan Powell is no longer the one that most bothers me. To understand why, I need to share something that happened shortly before this podcast first launched. It was October 22^nd, 2018, three weeks from Cold’s debut.

I arrived home from work on that chilly autumn evening, ready to unwind. In an idle moment, I pulled my phone from my pocket and began scrolling through tweets. I spotted one from the University of Utah. It said “Alert: shooting on campus. Secure-in-place.”

Brian Wahlin (from October 22, 2018 KSL NewsRadio archive): We don’t believe there’s an active threat at this point in time, but don’t have that 100% confirmed.

Dave Cawley: I called the news director at KSL Newsradio, my friend Marc Giauque. He was on his way to the station. He had dispatched a reporter to the scene.

Marc Giauque (from October 22, 2018 KSL NewsRadio archive): The shooting happened earlier today they did find one person deceased. That victim identified as a woman and they did identify a suspect as well. 

Dave Cawley: I grabbed my keys, went to my car and raced back to work.

Dave Cawley (from October 22, 2018 KSL NewsRadio archive): The situation as it is ongoing at the University of Utah campus this evening, because of a shooting that happened, fatal shooting, uh, just around 9 p.m. Police are on scene. They are looking for a suspect who has not been located.

Dave Cawley: We came to learn over the following hours and days that Lauren McCluskey, a student at the university, had been shot and killed outside of her dorm by a man named Melvin Shawn Rowland.

Dale Brophy (from October 23, 2018 KSL NewsRadio archive): A couple hours into the investigation we learned that suspect had gotten off of campus in a vehicle. He was picked up. Through an investigative lead at approximately 1:15 in the morning, the suspect was located by Salt Lake City police department downtown off of 600 South. A foot pursuit ensued. The suspect ran into a church, at which time he took his own life.

Dave Cawley: Lauren’s and Susan’s stories are different. Yet, they are the same. Both women lost their lives to a romantic partner. Both women had come to Utah from Washington: Susan to escape her father-in-law, Lauren to perfect her talents as a gifted runner.

Lori McDonald (from October 23, 2018 KSL NewsRadio archive): Lauren was an outstanding student scholar and an accomplished student athlete and the students, staff and faculty who knew her are feeling a profound loss.

Dave Cawley: Melvin had lied to Lauren about his age. Lauren was 21, Melvin was 37. He’d also lied about his status as a convicted felon and sex offender on parole. He’d served time in prison after raping a teenage girl.

One of Lauren’s friends had learned Melvin’s secret and warned her. That’s when Lauren broke off their brief relationship. But Melvin would not leave Lauren alone. He used technology to terrorize. He bombarded Lauren’s phone with text messages, using spoofed phone numbers to make it appear as though the texts were coming from Melvin’s friends. In fear, Lauren called police for help.

Lauren McCluskey (from October 12, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): I got a text about, y’know, asking if I wanted to go to a funeral. His funeral. And I think they’re trying to lure me somewhere.

Dave Cawley: Yet, Lauren also doubted her own instincts.

Dispatcher (from October 12, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Ok, and is there a protective order between you guys or is he just an ex of yours? 

Lauren McCluskey (from October 12, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Just an ex.

Dispatcher (from October 12, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Ok. And are you trying to avoid him? Or not necessarily?

Lauren McCluskey (from October 12, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Umm, I would say it’s more just his friends.

Dave Cawley: That changed when, in an email, Melvin threatened to publish intimate photos of Lauren unless she transferred a thousand dollars to his account. She did. Then, Lauren again contacted police. She just wanted the harassment and extortion to stop.

Lauren McCluskey (from October 13, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Do you know when an arrest would be made?

Dispatcher (from October 13, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Umm, you can talk to an officer, if you want? I can arrange that, if you want that.

Lauren McCluskey (from October 13, 2018 University of Utah police dispatch call recording): Ok. Yeah, that sounds good.

Dave Cawley: But Melvin was not arrested. Police failed to piece together his status as a parole violator. A week elapsed before, on the night of October 22^nd, he snatched Lauren in the parking lot outside her dorm, dragged her into the back seat of a car and shot to her to death. Lauren was on the phone with her mom when it happened.

Matt McCluskey (from October 22, 2018 911 call recording): My daughter, Lauren McCluskey, was talking to her mom and then she just started saying “No, no, no, no, no.” And it sounded like someone might have been grabbing her or something.

Dave Cawley: I didn’t know Lauren, but her death shook me. Lauren McCluskey and Susan Powell should both be alive today, along with many, many other women who’ve been killed at the hands of a husband, a boyfriend, a date, a coworker or even just an acquaintance. So I’m less concerned with the question “where is Susan” than I am the question “why does this keep happening?”

One particular passage from Susan’s emails has resonated with me. She wrote it in November of 2008, a little over a year before her disappearance. She said:

Kristin Sorenson (as Susan Powell from November 15, 2008 Facebook message): I’m finding out more and more that family and friends were seeing the red flags long before I did and of course I wish they would have said something.

Dave Cawley: Susan, I make this pledge to you: I resolve to treat the women in my life with respect, compassion and understanding. I vow to believe any woman who expresses through words or actions a concern for her safety. I promise to call out and condemn abusive, manipulative or controlling behavior any time or place I encounter it. And if I ever fail to live up to this standard, I invite those who know me to hold me accountable.

We can do better. We can be better.

To anyone who is listening, I would be honored if you would join me in making this same commitment.

My name is Dave Cawley. Thank you for listening to Cold.

Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 12:35 a.m., December 8, 2009. 14 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): I am feeling sick, because it is possible that Susan is dead. Monday morning Jenny called from Josh’s and Susan’s house, to tell us that the day-care lady had called her when they did not show up with the kids. … The police came to their house, and this information made us extremely fearful that they might be inside, asphyxiated from carbon monoxide, or dead from some other cause.

It was a relief when the police reported that they were not in the house and their van was not in the garage. However the day wore on slowly with no word and with all of us wondering if they were abducted, or if they went on an outing and were killed or trapped in a car accident.

In the evening I went to the gym, and while there received a call that Josh had shown up with the boys, but not with Susan. When I was finally able to speak to him, at about 8:30, he said he saw her early Monday morning, at just after midnight. He was leaving “late” for an outing with the boys. In the various conversations I had with him Monday evening, between that time and nearly midnight, he said that he had bought a generator-heater of some kind so he could go on winter outings. When he told Susan, who he said was in bed asleep, that they were leaving, he says she said “whatever.”

He says he thought yesterday was Sunday. Hence he did not call work. And when he realized his error, he was out of cell phone range. That does not make sense to me, since when I spoke to him Sunday at midday he said Susan and the boys had gone to a stake conference that morning. He also mentioned that she was tired and took a nap that evening. Maybe she was already gone, and he told the boys she was just napping.

None of us were able to reach him on his cell phone all day and he attributes that to being in the backcountry. Susan’s cell phone was with him. He says he was using it to look up a number, and forgetfully put it in his pocket, and forgot to take it out, so it was with him all day until he showed up at around 6:00 p.m. The story is so implausible, and our conversation with Josh so unconvincing that I fear the worst.

I think Susan is dead and Josh spent the 20 hour lacuna disposing of her body far away. … In the last two weeks Josh bought an oxyacetylene welder and a Rug Doctor carpet cleaner. I had no clue why he might want a welder, but now I wonder if it was required for the process of mutilating or disintegrating her body.

Maybe he really did not do anything to her, and she will show up alive. Maybe that is why he is not concerned.

Dave Cawley: This is Cold, episode 17: Cold Case. I’m Dave Cawley. Right back after this.

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Dave Cawley: Two days after Josh murdered Charlie and Braden, his aunt and uncle, Maurice and Patti Leach, issued a written statement. It said Josh had represented himself with great restraint during the child custody proceedings. It said the murder-suicide was as a result of questionable practices of government agencies, by religious bias, by internet kangaroo courts and the news media. It said all of the above had circumvented the Powell family’s due process rights and that was a national tragedy.

Patti Leach was Steve Powell’s sister.

Andrew Adams (fromMay 16, 2013 KSL TV archive): If there’s anybody alive that has knowledge of what happened to Susan Powell, her family believes, it’s Steven Powell and he may perhaps be the best remaining lead in the investigation, despite the fact he’s not talking.

Dave Cawley: Not with police, anyway. While in prison, Steve exchanged letters with with his niece, Nicki Cardenas. At the end of July, 2012, Nicki sent him a copy of a CNN article about James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado movie theater mass shooter. I mentioned in episode 15 that West Valley police detective Darrell Dain had adopted the phony persona of Shamus from the Department of Defense during a meeting with Steve around that same time. It turns out, Shamus planted a seed.

After Michael committed suicide in February of 2013, Steve became convinced this shadowy figure, Shamus, was responsible for both the Aurora shooting and Michael’s suicide. He supposed the Army, using Shamus, had delivered psychotropic drugs to both Holmes and Michael. Or maybe it was a chemical weapon, procured from the Army’s Deseret Chemical Depot in, of course, Utah.

Steve also wondered if Shamus had engineered the December, 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. They were all connected in Steve’s mind, part of a single, sprawling conspiracy.

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Dave Cawley: Just days before Michael Powell’s suicide, Washington State Senator Pam Roach introduced Senate Bill 5162.

Pam Roach (from February 1, 2013 Washington Legislature recording): We do have a judge that did have material from West Valley police and chose to ignore it. We have a judge who did order a psychosexual evaluation, chose to make decisions without the results of that order.

Dave Cawley: SB 5162 wasn’t a very catchy name. Supporters called it Charlie and Braden’s Law. Steve Powell called it the Cox-Roach bill.

Pam Roach (from February 1, 2013 Washington Legislature recording): We had a fast track for reunification. DSHS, though they recommended to the judge that Josh, uh, Powell not have the kids, were none the less on a fast track for reunification. That’s what two days a week for two hours a, uh, a visit is.

Dave Cawley: Chuck and Judy Cox traveled to Olympia to speak in support of the bill.

Chuck Cox (from from February 1, 2013 Washington Legislature recording): Without this law, a surviving spouse is essentially able to achieve custody by murder. Or, as in this case, causing the disappearance of Charlie and Braden’s mother, then refusing to cooperate with police.

Dave Cawley: Put simply, the bill meant to prohibit parents suspected of murder from having access to their kids until the murder case was resolved. It would’ve cemented in law many of the suggestions made by the DSHS review board after Josh killed Charlie and Braden.

Judy Cox (from from February 1, 2013 Washington Legislature recording): DSHS and others like West Valley police, Pierce County police, umm, did not take it seriously. And so, because of that, we felt this was a big problem and why it was, in our opinion, treated lightly, that the boys would be ok.

Dave Cawley: Rick Bartholomew from the Washington State Bar Association said the bill was problematic.

Rick Bartholomew (from from February 1, 2013 Washington Legislature recording): Some investigations will take years, umm, and ultimately a person can be exonerated or at least the investigation doesn’t, uh, doesn’t prove anything.

Dave Cawley: The bill underwent changes to address those concerns and on March 12, 2013, the Washington State Senate voted 48 to 1 in favor, sending the bill to the house. Where it stalled, indefinitely. Charlie and Braden’s Law never actually became law. That is, at least not in Washington.

House clerk (from March 5, 2014 Utah Legislature recording): First substitute senate bill 173 having received 72 yes votes, 0 no votes, passes the House, will be signed by the speaker and returned to the Senate for the signature of the president.

Dave Cawley: The following year, in 2014, the Utah Legislature passed a similar bill. 

Craig Hall (from March 5, 2014 Utah Legislature recording): The bill has been changed dramatically in order to thread the needle between protecting parental rights and also protecting the rights of children in these very unusual and unique situations, and infrequent situations.

Dave Cawley: SB 173 changed Utah law, empowering the courts and child welfare workers to keep minor children away from a parent suspected of murder.

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Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 5:35 a.m., December 8, 2009. 19 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): Sunday night it snowed all night. So Josh headed out after midnight to “camp” with the boys. It was snowing like gangbusters by the time he got out a ways so, according to his story, he decided it was too late to return and so he kept going. Why? The whole thing sounds so wrong, even if it had nothing to do with disposing of Susan’s body. Why would anybody do that? And furthermore, why would anybody believe that someone would go out in that weather just for an outing?

Michael and Alina are very supportive of Josh and advised him to tighten up his story, as it sounds weak and unconvincing. Josh responded that the police may have already tapped his phone, which was the same as saying “be careful what you say.”

Michael commented … that he blamed his mother for this. He said “she is the reason I will probably never get married.” … So I guess Michael, like me, has learned to distrust the marriage principle. John seems to be a misogynist … And Josh has suffered through a mutually hateful marriage relationship since April 2001. Josh’s and Susan’s mutual disdain was evident from nearly the beginning of their relationship.

I am so tired, but can’t seem to sleep. I e-mailed in my request for sick leave a few minutes ago.

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Dave Cawley: West Valley City police were fast approaching the end of the road. In early 2013, leads in the search for Susan were dwindling. Yet, public focus on the case remained high.

Ellis Maxwell: Yeah, there’s a lot of people in the country, in the world that wanted answers, from the media all the way down to the Cox family because, y’know, believe it or not, they didn’t know a whole lot more than anybody else.

Dave Cawley: As lead detective, Ellis Maxwell served as keeper of the case files. He’d organized reports, warrant affidavits, interview transcripts and everything else for more than three years.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, over the course of the investigation I’d managed the digital case file so, y’know I’d, I’d kind of prepared it as, as we were moving through so that we went into a trial it was all done and I could just hand it over to the attorneys.

Dave Cawley: With no chance of a criminal prosecution, West Valley faced a question: what do to with all those documents?

Ellis Maxwell: I don’t think the department could just stand back and go “no.” They’re gonna have to release, umm, some information and there’s a lot of information.

Dave Cawley: The city had received a large number of requests for copies of case files under GRAMA, Utah’s open records law.

Ellis Maxwell: It was decided to sit down and, and go through that entire file and redact it and, and then, y’know, it came down to “ok, do we just release it all or let the GRAMA requests come in” and the decision was made to just, uh, make a public release of it.

Dave Cawley: But the job of redacting all of those documents — blacking sensitive information like medical or financial data, names of potential witnesses, police operational plans — took a lot of time.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, we spent days in a, in a big conference room and uh, there was, gosh like eight or 10 of us, and they weren’t just detectives. There was a lot of attorneys in there and, y’know, it was basically myself, maybe a couple of detectives and the rest was legal going through and redacting all of that information. And uh, y’know, it was a daunting task to say the least. I mean, there’s thousands and thousands of documents and reports and, umm, yeah.

Dave Cawley: Before they could give any of those documents out, police also had to ask a judge to rescind the secrecy order that had surrounded the case since its inception.

Ellis Maxwell: The only reason it happened is because the case essentially came to an end. Like, there’s, there’s nobody that can be held accountable. This case is never gonna go into the justice system so now we’ve reached a point that there, we can’t, there’s no reason to retain that information and keep it closed.

Dave Cawley: Before taking that step, West Valley police wanted to finish one more search, this time in Scotts Mills, Oregon.

Andrew Adams (from May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): Police say they remain committed to the case and finding closure for Susan’s family.

Mike Powell (from May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): We can’t forget the Cox family, the effect that this has had on them.

Dave Cawley: Detectives had come across information about a piece of property in Scotts Mills where Josh’s aunt and uncle, Patti and Maurice Leach, had previously lived. They’d rented a house on 176 heavily wooded acres in the rural area north-east of Salem.

Ellis Maxwell: The information that we’d received is that it was possible that, y’know, because Josh traveled several hundred miles and if he was to relocate this body, it is probable that he could’ve made it to this area and disposed of her, buried her body there.

Dave Cawley: The mileage meant Josh couldn’t have made it to Scotts Mills in the rental car alone. In order for this theory to work, he’d have needed an assist from Michael or Steve.

Ellis Maxwell: There was a little bit of time, like a day maybe that we couldn’t really account for Steve. Not a whole day but maybe 12 hours or six hours or something like that and it kind of fell in line with this whole piece of property that was related to Steve’s family.

Dave Cawley: Josh and Susan had also visited the property once, together. After Susan disappeared and Josh moved to Washington, Maurice and Patti had invited Josh to come visit in order to get away from the media but Josh never took them up on the offer. West Valley police obtained a federal search warrant. They briefed the Marion County Sheriff’s Office and, on May 14^th, 2013 arrived in Scotts Mills with a team of cadaver dogs.

Ellis Maxwell: There was a lot of digging and a lot of searching of this ground.

Dave Cawley: The dogs indicated the possible presence of decomposition at one location. Police spent an entire day raking and probing the ground, running the dogs over and over it. Ultimately, they didn’t find anything. No body, no evidence.

Andrew Adams (from May 16, 2013 KSL TV archive):  Today, police conceded they’re coming to the end of their list of leads. And they even acknowledged the possibility the Susan Powell case could even become a cold case.

Mike Powell (from May 16, 2013 KSL TV archive): Obviously Susan’s still missing so there are pieces that we don’t have. There’s information we don’t have.

Dave Cawley: Police did not reveal at the time that while those dogs were searching in Scotts Mills, a detective and FBI agent were in nearby Silverton, grilling Josh’s uncle Maurice Leach. Maurice’d agreed to take a lie detector test. An FBI polygrapher came down from Portland. During the interview, police records say Maurice told the agent he believed Charlie and Braden were still alive. Steve’d told Maurice the pictures the FBI had showed him following the fire were unrecognizable and possibly staged. Detective Alva Davis told Maurice that was not the case. He had personally seen the bodies.

Over the course of their hours-long conversation, Maurice’s perspective changed. Police records say he expressed anger at Josh and Michael, saying they’d lied to him. He wanted to have words with Steve, because Steve had told him police had made up the stuff about finding pictures of young, naked neighbor girls in his house.

I made several attempts to contact Maurice. He never responded to my messages.

Andrew Adams (from May 16, 2013 KSL TV archive):  Cops arrived here on Tuesday. They combed acre after acre but ultimately called the search when cadaver dogs didn’t turn up leads.

Mike Powell (from May 16, 2013 KSL TV archive): We have not rested. We have not had a break. We have been diligent and meticulously investigating this entire case.

Dave Cawley: West Valley returned home from Oregon on May 16, 2013, empty-handed.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, at this point, y’know, a lot of us are just tired. Y’know, it’s been a long investigation and when I say tired, like we’re not physically tired but we’re just mentally like, you only, I mean I don’t know how many times an individual can, uh, come across a potential breaking lead in a case and be shut down. It’s like “nope, this ain’t it. Need to go find something else.” And so I, I think we were all hopeful, I was hopeful. But again at the end of the day, just tons of resources and uh, no results. But we were able to say that she wasn’t there.

Dave Cawley: Detectives weren’t alone in feeling that sense of exhaustion. Chuck Cox wasn’t ready to stop searching. He wondered if Susan’s body might have ended up much closer to home — Steve Powell’s home.

Haley Smith (from November 7, 2013 KSL TV archive): Earlier this year, a Washington judge awarded Powell’s victims, two young girls, 1.8 million dollars. … Powell is now claiming he’s just recently learned about the damages and is in no position to pay up.

Dave Cawley: But Steve did have assets, including the South Hill house from which he’d once filmed those underage neighbor girls.

Nkoyo Iyamba (from May 20, 2014 KSL TV archive): The family of the two little girls that Steven Powell was convicted of photographing now own that house. They were awarded that property in a court-ordered settlement.

Dave Cawley: Chuck, working with his attorney and a private investigator, brought cadaver dogs to the house. They probed the yard, on the suspicion that Josh or Steve might have buried Susan there. Just as with police in Oregon, they didn’t find anything.

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Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 6:30 a.m., December 8, 2009. 20 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): Where is Susan? If she were alive someone would have heard from her. This morning it will begin sinking in to her co-workers that she is not coming back.

Will Josh drop the boys off at the day care when he goes to his 9:00 appointment with the police? … Will Josh still be walking free after the 9:00 appointment, or will they lock him up? Through the night I tried to think of things Josh said last night that might suggest that he truly does not have a clue where Susan is. Maybe his story came out sounding cock-eyed because he was so tired. … Michael suggested to Alina and me that if he has killed Susan it was probably not premeditated, since the story is so poorly planned.

If the worst happened, that is he killed her, did he bury her body? Will it ever be found? Frequently the police break down perpetrators during interrogation, and they end up leading them to where the body is buried. Although her parents mean nothing to me, I feel deeply for them, whatever the outcome. I cannot imagine there will be a good outcome.

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Dave Cawley: Four days after the end of the search in Scotts Mills, Oregon, West Valley City leaders called a press conference.

Wayne Pyle (from May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): After three-plus long years of the investigation into the disappearance of Susan Powell, we are announcing the end of the active phase of the search for Susan.

Dave Cawley: The case had gone cold.

Mike Powell (from May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): Today, Susan is still missing. We do not know where she is or what happened to her.

Dave Cawley: That same day, the city attorney and detective Darrell Dain, aka Shamus, went to court and asked a judge to lift the secrecy order.

Ellis Maxwell: I had to sit down myself and, y’know, my supervisors, we had to sit down with the Cox family and, uh, share everything with them first. And so we met with them and, and we shared with them everything that we could share with them and uh, I believe we gave their attorney a copy of that release on a USB drive.

Dave Cawley: Next, reporters received their copies of the redacted case file on 32 gigabyte flash drives.

Mike Winder (from May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): Tens of thousands of pages and as you go through those, it will be easy to Monday morning quarterback perhaps, uh, but I think at the end of the day, you’ll see a police force that was completely dedicated from the beginning, completely professional from the beginning and did everything they could do to, to find Susan and bring her home.

Dave Cawley: Technically, the Powell case remained open. There were still loose ends, including the ongoing efforts to crack the encryption on one of Josh’s hard drives. So that version of the case file released to the media, was a snapshot in time. Going forward, Ellis continued to take care of the case file. 

Ellis Maxwell: From that point I ended up leaving the major crimes division, or major crimes unit, and went to managing the sex offender compliance program. And then I developed a college internship program and so I ran both of those and took care of the Powell case and every once in awhile I would handle some other investigative cases as they came along but, uh yeah, I did that from ’13 up until December of ’15 when I retired. I had my 20 years and I was done. I was out. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Public release of the redacted case file was a huge win for Susan’s family. They seized on the documents. Within days, they began handing out fliers along I-84, from Pendleton, Oregon to Tremonton, Utah.

Andrew Wittenberg (from May 29, 2013 KSL TV archive):  The search for missing Utah mom has led Chuck Cox to a small Tremonton florist. It’s his first time in Utah in more than six months. His hope of finding her was renewed when West Valley police disclosed all their investigation materials.

Chuck Cox (from May 29, 2013 KSL TV archive):  Hopefully we get some more tips, some new tips. And, uh, we did, actually, as a result of the KSL coverage of that.

Dave Cawley: But the redacted case file didn’t paint the whole picture. Important details about Josh and Michael’s relationship and movements in the days after Susan’s disappearance were not included.

Chuck Cox (from May 29, 2013 KSL TV archive): We decided we needed to come down and put out these fliers and get some attention to the people that live along that corridor.

Dave Cawley: The public learned of Michael dumping his Ford Taurus, but the fine detail of his apparent later paranoia over it not have been destroyed. People seized on the reports of Josh having had an affair, not realizing those tips had been largely discredited. The redacted case file held many rabbit holes.

Ellis Maxwell: I don’t think an average person, uh, could sit down and look at this and really wrap their mind around it. Because there’s just, there’s way too much information, way too many details. There was 100 different directions that this case could have gone.

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Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 8:00 a.m., December 8, 2009. 22 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): I am so tired, but unable to sleep. I have been lying here thinking about my grandsons, Charlie and Braden. Could Josh do something like this to their mother? Last night Josh went to the recycler to find a stout piece of cardboard to cover the broken window. He said there was a picture of a woman on the carton. As it lay on the living room floor, Braden lay down on it and said “mommy.” That was painful to hear.

I told Michael and Alina that no matter what Susan’s problems were, she did not deserve the death penalty. Neither one has any sympathy for her. Alina is aware and I think Michael too that I was in love with Susan, yet neither seems to be sensitive to any feelings I may have in the matter of her possible demise. That they are so anxious to show solidarity with Josh is also troubling.

I need to be of the same attitude, for the sake of the boys as well as Josh who, after all, is my son. The way his mother and her family treated him while growing up is no excuse for anything he may have done in this matter but I am not the court or a jury. I am his father.

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Dave Cawley: Steve Powell completed his sentence on the voyeurism charges and left prison on March 23^rd, 2014.

Jennifer Graves (from March 23, 2014 KSL TV archive): I knew it was coming and it was gonna be today and y’know what, it had to come and so I’m not particularly pleased about it, but it had to come.

Dave Cawley: Jennifer Graves had no intention of reconciling with her father, who was a registered sex offender.

Carole Mikita (from March 23, 2014 KSL TV archive):  Powell will be on probation for 30 months, required to wear a GPS locator and attend a sex offender treatment program. The corrections facility says he plans to live in Tacoma.

Dave Cawley: That plan soon fell apart. In July, the Washington court of appeals reinstated the child pornography count that Judge Ronald Culpepper had tossed out at the beginning of Steve’s 2012 trial. Steve appealed to the Washington State Supreme Court but the high court declined to take the case.

So, on October 27, 2014, Pierce County prosecutors obtained a new arrest warrant for Steve Powell. Steve and his sole surviving son, John, were living together at a halfway house in Tacoma’s Hilltop area. Pierce County sheriff’s detective sergeant Gary Sanders went and knocked on the door.

Gary Sanders: He was surprised. He tried shutting the door on me but with the warrant, you don’t get to shut the door. … So, John opened the door and I said “is your dad here?” And then Steve was like “whoa, no, you guys,” y’know, and I was like “nope, got the warrant.” So I was able to put him in handcuffs again and take him back to jail one more time.

Dave Cawley: Gary slapped a pair of pink handcuffs on Steve’s wrists.

Gary Sanders: Only two times I’ve used pink handcuffs.

Dave Cawley: You used those?

Gary Sanders: Yes. Umm, handcuffs that, uh, a certain detective from West Valley gave me.

Dave Cawley: Steve’s prison letters had revealed he believed police couldn’t arrest him again on the child pornography charge. He figured that would amount to double-jeopardy. That’s not exactly how double-jeopardy works.

Steve’s second trial didn’t go any better than the first. On July 15^th, 2015, a jury found him guilty. The judge sentenced him to five additional years in prison. In August of 2015, Steve appealed that conviction. Washington’s court of appeals heard arguments, then rejected the appeal. Steve in 2017 asked the Washington Supreme Court to review his case. Again, the court declined. Steve was stuck.

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Dave Cawley: About a month before Michael jumped from the parking garage in Minneapolis, Chuck Cox had gone to court in Utah and asked to be named conservator of his daughter’s estate. Susan, in the eyes of the law, was still alive, and would be until five years after the date of her disappearance.

Chuck’s move put him in position to exercise authority over Josh and Susan’s trust and, by extension, her share of the life insurance money. After Michael’s suicide, Chuck amended the trust, making himself sole trustee. He froze out Josh’s mom, Terrica and sister, Alina. Steve had voluntarily surrendered any claim to the money. That might seem a noble gesture, but remember, Steve owed his voyeurism victims restitution. It was in best interest to be penniless.

A year later, in May of 2014, the federal court in Tacoma decided the interpleader lawsuit over the life insurance money. It split the proceeds like this: two-and-a-half million dollars to Susan’s estate, three-quarters of a million dollars to Michael’s estate, about 21-thousand dollars to Alina and 16-thousand dollars to John. Attorney Anne Bremner considered it a victory for the Cox family.

Anne Bremner: Y’know, we won the insurance battle.

Dave Cawley: But hang on a second. That October, Josh’s mom Terri sued Chuck. In her complaint, she said Chuck’s change to the trust had been illegal. She wanted an injunction to keep him from spending any of the money. Terri argued she was entitled to half of the proceeds through the trust, an amount totaling 1.1 million dollars. Terri and Chuck ended up settling out of court, in 2015. Terms of the arrangement were not disclosed.

Anne Bremner: When Michael killed himself, I thought “case over,” Right? “We’re done.” Here came the rest of the Powells.

Dave Cawley: That’s an understandable perspective, given what I’ve just described. But let’s talk about Terri for a minute. You haven’t heard Terri Powell’s voice in this podcast, aside from that first 911 call she made the day of Susan’s disappearance. There’s a reason for that. Terri has long shunned the media. She’s repeatedly expressed a desire to have no contact when I’ve reached out to her. But Terri did speak with police during the investigation and what she said can provide some insight on her mindset.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Y’know, I’ve blocked so much of it out, I can’t even remember. In fact, I’m surprised I can even talk about it. Usually, I’m just falling apart.

Dave Cawley: Jump back to February 2010. Jennifer had just confronted Josh while wearing a wire. Steve was formulating his theory about Susan running off to Brazil. And Terri sat down to speak with Ellis Maxwell.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I want Susan found.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Yeah

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I want the truth known. I want my family well. I don’t know what we’re going to have to go through from here to there.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I don’t know either.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I want all my family well.

Dave Cawley: Terri shared many of the troubling events from her divorce. She described how Steve had manipulated the kids, exposing them to pornography and turning them against her. She said she’d felt concern at one point that Steve had “inappropriate interest” in the children, though she never saw him act on it. Terri didn’t seem to remember Josh having threatened her with a knife when he was a teenager, a claim documented in her divorce records.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Uh, one thing I’d like to mention, don’t know if I’ve ever specifically said this, I’ve, I’ve never known Josh to be violent.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Mmhmm.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Never seen him violent—

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Mmhmm.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): —that I can ever recall. … I, I can’t imagine him being that way.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Mmhmm.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): And I think that that’s significant, something you should hear from me.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Mmhmm. Yeah, absolutely.

Dave Cawley: Ellis observed there similarities between how Steve’d treated Terri and how Josh’d treated Susan. Terri couldn’t see it.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I don’t see Josh as manipulative.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Mmhmm.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): I do see him as, y’know, he’ll get in and get things done and he also had, hass a certain disregard for trying to accommodate other people and their needs. But he also seems very gentle.

Dave Cawley: Terri would give her son the benefit of the doubt.

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): The, the kids care about Josh and they, y’know, they want to see, umm, their, they, they want to help him. But I didn’t get any sense when I’ve been around them — and, and they’re willing to do that. They’re willing to help him, which I’m, y’know, I’ve been glad for because I felt like he needed help somehow or another.

Dave Cawley: Ellis, as gently he could, tried to warn Terri that the person responsible for Susan’s disappearance would be held accountable.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Eventually there’ll be a—

Terri Powell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): Some kid of answers.

Ellis Maxwell (from February 1, 2010 police recording): —somebody’s gonna have to, yeah, somebody’s gonna have to account for it.

Dave Cawley: But as we now know, no one ever has.

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Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 8:45 a.m., December 8, 2009. 23 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): I went into Alina’s room a few minutes ago, to find out if she has heard anything. I was crying. Alina mentioned she has mixed feelings about being perfectly straight forward if called on to testify about their relationship. She did not think Susan was quite the [expletive] Josh made her out to be, and thinks Josh may have helped turn her into a [expletive]. I can’t disagree with that, and I am with Alina on that. However, I said we should support him in any way we can, partly for the sake of the boys. … I doubt Susan is alive and I doubt Josh’s hands are clean. If he murdered her, I wish he had not. But she did treat him in an almost schizophrenic way, and a person can take only so much.

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Dave Cawley: Chuck and Judy had first filed their wrongful death lawsuit in the Pierce County Superior Court. In late November, 2014, it jumped to the U.S. District Court in Tacoma. The suit accused Washington’s Department of Social and Health Services, DSHS, as well as the social workers who’d handled Charlie and Braden’s case, of failing to protect the boys, ignoring the threat Josh presented.

Anne Bremner: We want the DSHS to switch gears which is, it’s the best interest of the child. That’s what they should be looking at, not reunification at any cost.

Dave Cawley: Attorney Anne Bremner and the rest of the team took that argument to the judge.

Anne Bremner: What we’re saying is, based on the facts that I think everybody knows, is that there were red flags about Josh. The biggest one being the disappearance of his wife and his involvement.

Dave Cawley: October 7^th, 2015, the federal district court ruled against the Coxes. In his decision, Judge Ronald Leighton wrote the court could not “exercise the luxury of hindsight” in judging the social workers for failing to prevent the murder. Leighton said federal law provided the social workers absolute immunity. DSHS, he said, had done its job in notifying the state court of the goings-on, so it also could not be blamed. According to the order, Pierce County Superior Court Judge Kathryn Nelson’s decision to allow visitation at Josh Powell’s house was the closest thing to a cause for the murder.

In a footnote, Judge Leighton also mentioned the failed effort to pass Charlie and Braden’s Law in Washington. He called it bad public policy in general, even though he conceded it would have benefited everyone in the Powell case case. On this, the judge and Anne Bremner disagreed.

Anne Bremner: It should be the law in every state in the nation. It’s pretty simple. Pretty simple, right?

Dave Cawley: Two months later, the Coxes appealed the ruling to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. It took two years before the appeals court heard oral arguments on the case.

Ted Buck (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): The CPS workers failed to even review the divorce file.

Morgan Christen (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): Had they reviewed it, is there something they would have found there that you think would have changed this outcome?

Ted Buck (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): I, yes your honor, I believe that they would have. They would have found that he had threatened to kill his mother with a knife when he was younger. That he had killed animals before. All classic signs people who can snap, people who can do very violent things.

Dave Cawley: Attorney Ted Buck argued the case on behalf on the Coxes in Seattle on December 4^th, 2017, almost eight years to the day after Susan’s disappearance.

Ted Buck (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): The court assumed, without evidence in the record, that Judge Nelson had as much information as the law enforcement officers who were warning the social workers that they had concerns about the safety of the boys. That Judge Nelson had as much information as the Coxes, who’d known Josh Powell for years, as his own sister who obviously had known him for many, many years. The court assumed that the judge knew that visitations were regularly occurring at the Powell house, when the record does not support that.

Dave Cawley: Assistant Washington Attorney General Peter Helmberger argued the “hunches and beliefs” of Susan’s friends and family members were not grounds for concern over and above the courtordered supervised visitation. He noted Charlie and Braden had not been afraid of their father, in fact they’d dashed to greet him at every visit.

Peter Helmberger (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): It wasn’t concern based on him being violent towards his children unsupervised—

Morgan Christen (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): There had to be a finding and there was, the box was checked, that the children were at risk of danger and that was the justification for requiring supervised visitation with the natural father, right?

Peter Helmberger (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): Correct. But it wasn’t, it wasn’t based on any reports or allegations of, of abuse, of physical abuse directed towards—

Morgan Christen (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): We understand.

Peter Helmberger (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): —towards his children.

Dave Cawley: Chuck left the courtroom that day feeling confident.

Chuck Cox: To me it was like, why aren’t you ruling now? 9th Circuit, they were very impressive in their ability to get past the bull and down to the truth.

Dave Cawley: So Chuck waited for good news. None came. Time went by and he was reduced to waiting for any news.

On January 10^th, 2019, right in the middle of this podcast, the appeals court released its decision. The opinion upheld the immunity for the social workers, meaning they cannot be sued as individuals. But the appeals court reversed the district court’s decision regarding DSHS, sending the Cox family’s negligence claim against the state of Washington back down for trial.

Ted Buck (from December 4, 2017 9^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals oral argument recording): A jury needs to be able to determine whether, in the face of all of those risks, the state was deliberately indifferent in not moving visitation back to a secure facility, in not assuring that you had a supervisor there who could intervene. These are jury issues.

Dave Cawley: As I record this, that trial is still to come. Anne Bremner said she still hopes a jury will find in their favor, forcing a change in priorities and placing the safety of children above the parental rights of suspected murderers.

Anne Bremner: And it’s going to mean a lot to me and to the Coxes if we get that. It will mean everything.

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Dave Cawley: Of course, one could also argue Washington might not have needed to protect Charlie and Braden from Josh if police in Utah had arrested him in the first place. In the years since the murder-suicide, many people have accused the West Valley City police department of botching the case. So I asked Ellis Maxwell point-blank, if he agreed.

Ellis Maxwell: No, absolutely not, we didn’t botch the case. Umm, it just comes from ignorance in my opinion. But, y’know, I respect it and I understand where they would come up with that. Not knowing everything that I know, you know and, uh, the rest of the investigative team, it’s easy for people to, y’know, Monday morning quarterback the case. Super easy. So I don’t get offended when I hear it and I think the reason why is ‘cause I understand where they’re coming from.

Dave Cawley: But why didn’t he just arrest Josh?

Ellis Maxwell: We were getting there but Josh beat us to the punch, unfortunately.

Dave Cawley: Ellis told me he’d hoped to screen the case against Josh for formal charges — body or no body — in the spring of 2012. Which raises an interesting point: the case had never been screened.

Sim Gill: And the tragedy is that we were moving towards that process. We don’t get to control human behavior.

Dave Cawley: Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill came into office in 2011, midway through the Powell investigation. He learned that while members of his staff had worked with police on search warrants and subpoenas, detectives and prosecutors had not met to review the evidence in a holistic way.

]Sim Gill: I wanted to make sure everybody who was part of the investigation got to give their input and as well as a collaborative collective of legal minds who said “ok, what is the flexibility of the range of our options that we have?”

Dave Cawley: Deputy D.A. Blake Nakamura told me prosecutors were willing to go forward with a no-body case, but it depended on police chasing down every possible lead.

Blake Nakamura: The unique challenge in those kinds of cases is it creates an opportunity for all these alternative explanations that are contrary to what the allegation of a homicide would be: they went off, they met somebody else, they had debt and so they were trying to leave the debt. Remember, there only has to be one person saying I have some reasonable doubt.

Dave Cawley: As we’ve seen, the Powell family worked hard to create those alternative explanations: Susan ran off to Brazil with Steven Koecher, Susan was “sexually motivated,” Susan was suicidal, Susan had abused her boys.

Blake Nakamura: And when you’re having to defeat that by circumstantial evidence that the person, no, is gone. Like, no contact with family, no activity in financial records. That tends to create a compelling picture, but when you’re dealing with reasonable doubt, sometimes that’s not enough.

Dave Cawley: It might seem likely to the majority of people that Josh Powell killed his wife, but prosecutors needed evidence to prove that.

Sim Gill: It’s not just the court of public opinion that gives you a successful prosecution. It’s the evidence that’s necessary under our rule of law with the burden of proofs that we have. When you don’t have that physical body, when that forensic piece is missing there is a whole host of logical possibilities and if I have more than one logical possibility in any realistic sense, I have reasonable doubt.

Dave Cawley: Not arresting Josh at the outset had been a tactical decision. Even now, Sim does not second-guess it. 

Sim Gill: This is not television. This isn’t CSI. This isn’t cutaways where you browbeat somebody and they confess. This is real life.

Dave Cawley: And of course, there would’ve been no point in arresting Josh from the beginning if prosecutors were not at that point prepared to file charges.

Blake Nakamura: When decisions are made to file or not file, those are not light decisions. They are not light decisions because it is a situation where if we file and we’re not successful in that, we can’t go back and say “geez, can you give us another shot?”

Dave Cawley: If they’d charged Josh with murder and a jury acquitted him, it wouldn’t have mattered if someone later discovered Susan’s body. Double jeopardy would’ve prohibited them from charging him again.

In the wake of the Powell case, Sim instituted changes within the district attorney’s office. They mandated in-person screenings of homicide cases before a team of prosecutors, ensuring a diversity of viewpoints and rigorous debate over the strength of the evidence. It’s tough to say if that process could’ve changed the outcome in the Powell case, were it in place from the beginning. But Sim, like Ellis, doesn’t believe police botched the investigation.

 Sim Gill: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. If anything, what I want to communicate from what we learned and what we observed and what we interacted with, that commitment to finding the truth never, they never wavered from that.

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Dave Cawley: On June 6^th, 2017, I mailed a letter to Steve Powell. In it, I described my work on this podcast and expressed my interest in speaking with him. In particular, I hoped Steve and I could discuss his planned autobiography, which he’d outlined and given the tentative title “Somewhere on the Moon.” Steve didn’t responded to my letter.

A few weeks later, Steve left prison again after serving just a fraction of his five-year sentence. He’d received time off for good behavior. I actually staked out his address during a visit to Tacoma that October, but never saw him.

Jennifer Graves: Thus far my dad’s been pretty closed mouth about everything in relation to this case and I don’t think he’ll ever change that. Maybe. I don’t know. I mean, miracles happen but I don’t see it happening at this point. I do believe that he knows about stuff, that Josh probably told him stuff. Maybe he wasn’t privy to it as, as he was planning or, or uh, executing his plan. But I think that in, y’know, at the end he was told. I think he knows. Will he ever tell? I doubt it.

Dave Cawley: Pierce County sheriff’s detective sergeant Gary Sanders kept tabs on Steve after he left prison. At that point, Gary was running the county’s sex offender monitoring program.

Gary Sanders: And they’d notified us that he was up in King County, which kind of threw us off, umm, because of health issues.

Dave Cawley: Steve’s health had taken a nose-dive. In the summer of 2018, Gary learned Steve’d been admitted to St. Joseph Medical Center in Tacoma. Gary called the hospital, in the hopes Steve might make a dying declaration. But the hospital told him, Steve was getting better.

Gary Sanders: They mentioned that he was on progression, getting towards outpatient, being released and stuff, umm, so I’d, I’ve kinda, I was still monitoring him but I was not as concerned for the dying declaration.

Dave Cawley: Then, just before 5 a.m. on July 22^nd, 2018, Steve Powell died at the hospital from severe cardiomyopathy, heart failure. No one bothered to inform Gary.

Gary Sanders: And I called down there to say “hey, how is he doing, where was he at, still in the hospital?” And umm, they initially wouldn’t tell me anything just because of rules of and stuff and then I explained because of the monitoring and they, they informed me that he’d passed away.

Dave Cawley: Word of Steve’s death started to spread. I learned of it early the morning of July 24th. I immediately sent a text to Ellis.

Ellis Maxwell: Matter of fact, when I learned of, from you, of Steve’s passing, I fired off a text to a couple of other guys that I’m real close with that were a great asset to the investigation and, y’know, we had our chuckles and, y’know, there wasn’t a lot of, of love lost there, so, I mean, we still talk about Steve Chantrey and his music and (laughs), y’know, we’re cops. We laugh about it. That’s how we get through things.

Dave Cawley: Chuck Cox reacted differently to Steve’s death.

Chuck Cox: When Steve passed, I got thinking “what a waste of a life.” He, he’s, he ruined the lives of his children, his family, he took my daughter and the grandchildren, tore apart his own family and now he’s gone. Just what a loss.

Dave Cawley: Steve’s death certificate showed he was cremated on August 6^th of 2018. It listed Alina as his next of-kin. Many news stories at the time suggested Steve had died knowing important information about the whereabouts of Susan’s body. But Gary, like Ellis, wasn’t so sure.

Dave Cawley: Did you hold much hope that he might say anything or was that kind of a slim chance in your mind?

Gary Sanders: I think it was a slim chance. Umm, he, he didn’t, I don’t, I don’t think he would have told us. … And to be honest, I don’t know if he did know.

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Dave Cawley: Journal of Steve Powell, 10:30 p.m., December 8, 2009. 36 hours following the first report of Susan Powell’s disappearance.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 8, 2009, journal entry): I feel like Josh did a truly stupid thing, and probably disposed of her body in a very grotesque way. I think he probably went to some former industrial land just west of West Valley City and cremated her. I don’t see how he could live with an image like that in his mind.

I want Josh to be with his boys, but I am also angry with him for murdering such a beautiful woman. … That he could do such a thing once suggests that he could do it again. If things go too badly, he could murder the boys and hang himself to avoid going to prison and leaving them with the Mormon families that would no doubt take custody of them.

Josh’s life with Susan was utterly miserable, as was hers with him. Why she stayed with him I do not know. Evidently this tragedy is my answer for why Josh hung on. He wanted to do it his way and avoid a messy and costly divorce. I have news for him. This will be a very costly process, and he may lose anyway. Why someone who is otherwise so smart would do something so utterly stupid is beyond me.

Years ago I made up my mind that Josh was, of my kids, capable of doing such a thing. But our conversations of late suggested that I had nothing to worry about, although I thought about it with concern at times. He seemed resolved that doing something so callous would be most disruptive to his and his children’s lives. Now I wish I had talked more about the likelihood that someone involved in such a crime would be caught. If I had only known. If I could only turn back time.

Dave Cawley: On the conclusion of Cold…

Jennifer Graves: Sometimes it isn’t possible, sometimes the right decision is to get out.

(Sound of seagulls and idling diesel engine)

Dave Cawley: Snowflakes swirled outside the Flying J Travel Center in Lake Point, Utah. They danced on the wind that also buffeted big-rigs on the nearby interstate. Denise worked the register alone. The only other employee on shift at the time was out shoveling snow off of the walks.

Denise: It was around midnight, 12:30 a.m., and I was busier than normal because of the, the storm. It was coming down like crazy.

Dave Cawley: Denise heard someone shout “Hey Charlie” across the store. A few moments later, a man in a leather jacket stepped up to the counter.

Denise: It’s this really tall man carrying a baby. And I said “is there anything else for you tonight?” And I looked down at his stuff and it was rescue tape.

Dave Cawley: A pair of gloved hands dropped a couple other items on the counter: crackers and licorice. Denise glanced up to see a woman standing next to the man, smiling.

Denise: So I looked up and I made eye contact with her and then the dad said “hang on a minute let me buy this stuff and then we’ll go camping.” So quickly, I turned around and looked out the window, cause I knew it was snowing like crazy and I looked over at the RV islands that was just over my right shoulder, and there was nobody there. There was no RVs or anything there. And I thought “camping? In this?” So, I turned a little bit further and I’d seen the silver minivan sitting on pump six.

Dave Cawley: Denise thought the woman looked well-put together, especially for it being nearly 1 a.m. But she also noticed red rings around the woman’s eyes, as if she’d been crying. The toddler in the man’s arms stirred.

Denise: He looked at his mom and I looked at his little nose. He was just such a cute little man. His little nose was all scrunched up. And I says “well he doesn’t look too happy about going camping.” And she did the mom thing, rubbed his little cheeks and smiled and says “yeah, he’s pretty tired.”

Dave Cawley: The mom scooped the boy from the man’s arm and walked over to the door, joining another, slightly older boy who was pushing on the glass, trying to get outside.

(Sound of door opening)

Dave Cawley: Together, they walked out to the minivan. The man paid for the stuff with cash and told Denise to put the change on pump six. Then, he left as well. Denise didn’t think about that encounter again, until two months later when she saw a picture of Josh Powell on the news. She called West Valley police in a state of shock.

Denise: I truly believe I was the last person to see her. I truly do. And that’s very haunting.

Dave Cawley: Denise told police she’d seen Josh and Susan Powell, as well as their boys, together in the Flying J at 12:30 a.m. on December 7^th off 2009.

Denise: The did request the video surveillance and, much to my surprise, Flying J only kept their film for ten days and then they would record over it again. So it wasn’t available for them.

Dave Cawley: Denise provided a written statement. She told detectives what the people she’d seen were wearing. The detectives, in turn, asked her why she hadn’t reported this sighting for weeks.

Denise: When they asked me “what took you so long?” that was gut-wrenching. It just made me feel like I was discredited, so to speak, when they asked me that. And that was a horrible feeling. Here, something so tragic has happened and I’m trying to help, ‘cause they were there. They were there. And, and how to I convince them? They’ve got to know that they were there and, and believe that they were there.

Dave Cawley: This is Cold, episode 16: Chasing Leads. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: Denise has harbored some hard feelings for West Valley police over the last nine years.

Denise: I had a lot of anger issues, frustration with them and stuff because I had such valuable information that I felt was discarded. But then, you know, ten years time and you experience other things, I come to realize how difficult it is for them to put anything through the system.

Dave Cawley: Here’s the problem with Denise’s tip: it can’t be verified. Not by any other witnesses, not by surveillance camera footage, not by financial records. By the time Denise reported it, a lot of information had come out in news reports. Police had to ask themselves: were her memories influenced by what she’d seen on TV?

Ellis Maxwell: The more information that gets out, that’s more information now you have to sift through in these tips and these leads and trying to identify “ok, is this credible information or this information that they’ve obtained because of information we’ve released?”

Dave Cawley: By the start of 2013, West Valley police had received more than 800 tips in the Powell case. They ran the gamut, from simple suggestions of where to look for Susan, to detailed psychic conversations with a ghostly figure, to simple but unverifiable stories like Denise’s. People reported sightings of Susan in Georgia, Montana, Hawaii and Alaska.

A woman named Robin claimed to have seen Josh and the boys at the Comfort Inn in Sandy, Utah while working there on the morning of December 7th of 2009. Police went to the hotel and verified there was no record of Josh having stayed there.

A card dealer at the Montego Bay Casino in West Wendover, Nevada claimed Josh was a regular at his table on weekends. A woman named Darlene said she’d flirted with Josh on an elevator at the Imperial Palace hotel and casino in Las Vegas, because he smelled nice.

Perhaps the oddest tip of all came from the Duces Wild “gentleman’s club” in South Salt Lake, Utah.

Sherman (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): His erratic, belligerent behavior is what brought attention to him.

Dave Cawley: Police heard from a patron of Duces Wild, one week after Susan’s disappearance. The man, named Sherman, told them on the afternoon of December 7th, he spotted a guy at the club who seemed very drunk.

Jennifer Stagg (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): Sherman was sitting next to the man and asked him if he was ok.

Sherman (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): He kept repeating that he had a really bad day and he had a story to tell. When I asked him to tell the story he says “no you don’t want to her my story, I’ve just had a really bad day.”

Dave Cawley: A few days later, Sherman saw Josh Powell on the news and thought he looked a lot like the man he’d encountered at the club.

Jennifer Stagg (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): Sherman says the man was shouting at the strippers and the bar tender. He tried to take another patron’s drink. The bar’s owner said the man was acting erratically.

Rydell Mitchell (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): Talking to himself, speaking out load, wasn’t really making any sense.

Dave Cawley: A couple of officers went to Duces Wild. Other patrons recounted a story about a man who’d caused a ruckus on December 7th. The bartender told detectives this belligerent customer was not a regular and it seemed like he’d been “on something.” He did look like Josh Powell, but she couldn’t say for sure that it was him.

Jennifer Stagg (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): Police say they aren’t able to confirm it was in fact Josh Powell at Duces Wild, the day his wife Susan was reported missing.

Tom McLaughlan (from March 8, 2010 KSL TV archive): I’m not trying to discredit, uh, the individuals involved. Uh, but uh, sometimes, y’know, the, eyewitness accounts can, can be mistaken, so you can’t rely wholly on that. You try and verify. And at this point, uh, we are not able to verify through, uh, independent means that that was Josh.

Dave Cawley: “Bad day” guy had arrived around 2 p.m. and left the bar at about 4:30 p.m. Josh’s phone records showed he was near his home in West Valley at 3 p.m. and down south at Point of the Mountain a half an hour later. Josh could not possibly have been at Duces Wild.

There was another big problem with the story. Josh didn’t drink. His journals included several references to his not liking alcohol, or even being around others who are drinking.

Josh Powell (from December 13, 2000 audio journal recording): It was starting to wear me down to, to have to be around alcohol in the house and, and cussing.

Dave Cawley: Steve Powell also wrote about the Duces Wild story, once it made the news.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from March 10, 2010, journal entry): Even Josh’s detractors came out and said they did not believe the story. Josh has never been to a strip club, even though he does not feel there’s anything wrong with such an activity.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s attorney, Scott Williams, responded to a news story about the Duces Wild tip by saying he had no idea why anybody would make that kind of claim about Josh.

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Dave Cawley: A woman called 911 shortly before midnight on December 11^th of 2009, just five days into the search for Susan, and told a dispatcher she’d been having an affair with Josh Powell. She said her name was “Kristine.” Through slurred words, she described having met Josh at a comedy club. She said he’d claimed his wife had died of cancer. She’d only realized that wasn’t true when she saw Susan’s face on the news. The call disconnected. Kristine called 911 again, a few times actually.

Dispatch handed the information off to West Valley City police. An officer got “Kristine” on the phone again just before 1 a.m. and thought she sounded drunk. Kristine said she lived in Oregon, even though she was calling from Utah on a phone with a Utah area code. The officer asked Kristine for Josh’s phone number, to test her honesty. She became upset and hung up the phone.

Police traced the number Kristine had called from to an address about 10 blocks to the east of where Josh and Susan lived. A patrol officer went to the house and knocked on the door around 3 a.m. No one answered. Kristine’s tip went cold.

Then, in July of 2010, Detective Ellis Maxwell double-checked Kristine’s number against Josh’s phone records. It did turn up only once, just after midnight on December 12^th of 2009, the same night she’d called 911. The phone records showed no one picked up at the Powell house. Kristine had never talked to Josh, at least not on any phone West Valley police knew about.

Ellis kept digging. He learned the phone number “Kristine” had called from actually belonged to a woman named Kourtney.

Ellis Maxwell: She called in relatively early after this made the news and, uh, she left a bogus name and filed these allegations that, y’know, she was having an affair with this guy and y’know that took a little bit of time to track her down.

Dave Cawley: Police made contact with Kourtney in August. She was hesitant to talk.

Ellis Maxwell: And it’s like “eh,” y’know obviously we can’t force people but it kind of doesn’t work like that, right?

Dave Cawley: They convinced Kourtney to come in to the station for a chat. She sat down with the detectives and told her story. Kourtney said she’d met Josh through the phone chat service LiveLinks and that they’d dated for about six to eight months. Also, Josh hadn’t used his real name. He’d gone by John Staley.

Kourtney claimed Josh’d paid her about $800 for sex over the course of their relationship. He’d meet her at the Hunter Library, just around the corner from her house. Then, they’d drive up one of the nearby canyons to make out or have sex. Kourtney even took a drive with the detectives to visit those spots in Millcreek and Butterfield Canyons, on the outskirts of the Salt Lake Valley.

Ellis Maxwell: We did a little field trip and, uh, yeah. Nothing evolved from it.

Dave Cawley: The whole thing smelled fishy. Ellis asked Kourtney to take a lie detector test. She didn’t want to do that. Was Kourtney telling the truth about John Staley? Ellis didn’t think so.

Ellis Maxwell: She never called him, they never had communication, stuff like that. So, y’know, it was put to bed.

Dave Cawley: The Cold team reached out to Kourtney to ask for her side of the story, but she never responded, casting further doubt on her story. But what Kourtney had claimed did lend credence though to an even wilder tale from a man named Andrew Andersen.

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Andrew Anderson: You know my background, right?

Dave Cawley: That was the first question Andrew asked me when we sat down to talk about the Powell case. What he meant was he’d done time.

Andrew Anderson: I was just lettin’ you know that that’s the case.

Dave Cawley: Andrew Andersen’s troubles with the law started in 2007, when he was 21, with an arrest for forgery in West Jordan, Utah. Court records show the busts cascaded from there. By 2009, he racked up more arrests for forgery and financial fraud. They resulted in the filing of felony charges in at least 15 separate cases. The other misdemeanors scattered in between were just garnish, like parsley on a plate.

Andersen resolved most of those cases with plea deals. He spent some time in jail, but bounced out on probation before long. He just kept getting into trouble. So in February of 2010, a judge ordered Anderson to prison for up to five years.

Andrew Anderson: When I went to prison, I went to prison for like, checks, credit cards, all that.

Dave Cawley: The Utah Department of Corrections operates two prisons. One at Point of the Mountain, midway between the main population centers of Salt Lake City and Provo, Utah. The other in the rural, central Utah town of Gunnison. But many state inmates end up serving their sentences in county jails, because the two prisons are overcrowded. Andersen told me he spent time in a lot of different jails over the course of his sentence.

Andrew Anderson: Washington County sucks. Davis County sucks, it’s alright but it sucks. Uh, Weber County, Cache County they all suck. Salt Lake County sucks.

Dave Cawley: Andrew was in the Box Elder County Jail when, in the summer of 2010, he reached out to U.S. Marshal Derryl Spencer and West Valley police detective Gavin Cook. He described meeting Josh Powell in July of 2009 at a place called Fat Cats in the city of South Salt Lake. He was hanging out there with a few people when a woman named Summer walked in with a guy he didn’t recognize.

Andrew Anderson: Summer was a stripper and she was just using him ‘cause he was paying, just giving money, money, money, money.

Dave Cawley: Summer seemed close, physically, with the guy. They were kissing and hanging onto one another. Andrew told the investigators Summer had met this guy through a phone chat service, possibly LiveLinks or QuestChat. Come to think of it, maybe it was on Craigslist. He wasn’t sure.

Andrew Anderson: He was, like, possessive. Very possessive.

Dave Cawley: Like how, in what way?

Andrew Anderson: Like if she would talk to me or say she went to get a beer or something, he’d be all weird about it. Does that make sense? Like, “why are you talking to that dude?”

Dave Cawley: It didn’t end at Fat Cats.

Andrew Anderson: Well that’s where I first met him and then, y’know I’ve been to Wendover with him and a couple other places, so.

Dave Cawley: The guy didn’t go by the name Josh. He had a different name but Andrew couldn’t remember it. Summer probably had a different name too, for all Andrew knew.

Andrew Anderson: I don’t know if that’s her stripper name or real name or anything. But you know out on the street and the game, all, ‘cause, y’know, she liked to smoke meth and party and do all that stuff. And she was a stripper, not that that makes her any different than anybody else. It was her job.

Dave Cawley: Andrew knew Summer through a mutual acquaintance who’d been on the same ankle monitor jail release program with him.

Andrew Anderson: The people I was hanging out with before are, were like, gutter I guess you want to say it. Out committing crimes, doing all that stuff.

Dave Cawley: Andrew said he was locked up again by December of 2009 when he first saw Josh Powell on the news. He was sure Josh was the possessive guy he’d met that summer day at Fat Cats. He started hearing through the grapevine that Josh and Summer had had an argument. Summer threatened to tell Josh’s wife about their affair. Josh said he’d already killed his wife.

Andrew Anderson: For some reason he spilled beans to her. So… (laughs)

Dave Cawley: The story, as Andrew had heard it, went that Josh had dumped Susan’s body in a mine or buried her at a campground out in the desert. For Ellis this sounded just plausible enough.

Ellis Maxwell: There could be, there could’ve been, still, something there. But it wouldn’t have, it wouldn’t have been information that would have found Susan. This would have been information that you could discredit Josh’s credibility.

Dave Cawley: The idea of Josh having lead a secret double life, spending his money on strippers and gambling trips, caught the imagination of detectives.

Ellis Maxwell: There was a small portion of it that I, I kind of believed, I still kind of believe. Maybe Josh was involved in, y’know, maybe some prostitution and uh, y’know, it’s possible. And y’know we definitely looked at it.

Dave Cawley: But Andrew’s information didn’t exactly come from a position of pure altruism.

Andrew Anderson: I said “well, I can’t do a dang thing sittin’ in here. How can I go find Summer? You get me on the street with a furlough or something, get me out of prison, then I could do it.”

Dave Cawley: Andrew told the investigators Summer was slender, white, blonde and probably in her late 20s or early 30s. She might have worked at Duces Wild, the same strip club where patrons had reported seeing a guy who looked like Josh on the day Susan disappeared. That coincidence was not lost on the police.

Ellis Maxwell: Here we’ve got Duces Wild, we’ve got Kourtney, we’ve got Andrew with this story and it’s like “this is kind of weird.” And, y’know, there very well could be something there.

Dave Cawley: Detectives went to work. They made a list of possible Summers, to compare against a spreadsheet of licensed exotic dancers. Police records also say Andrew suggested they talk to another woman who’d been at Fat Cats that day. Her name was Emily, and she was attending a family reunion in Michigan. Police hopped a plane and went to see Emily.

Andrew Anderson: It looks bad on me even though I didn’t give Emily’s name. They, something, I don’t know, y’know, how her name got brought up and I said “I was hanging out with her at the time. She very well could know her. That’s somewhere to start.”

Dave Cawley: Emily met the investigators at Fayette Historic State Park, on Michigan’s upper peninsula. They asked if she’d ever been to Fat Cats. She said no. They asked if she knew Andrew. Again, she said no. Emily admitted she’d been involved in fraud and forgery. Her memory was bad because she’d spent much of late 2009 strung out on methamphetamine. In fact, she’d been locked up for the first half of 2010. Her trip to Michigan was a probably against the rules of her release.

The police put the screws to Emily and her memory started to come back. Yes, she did know Andrew, but only by his alias.

Ellis Maxwell: His, his moniker name was Cowboy. (Chuckles)

Dave Cawley: Yes, Emily knew Summer. They’d printed checks and ID cards together. Yes, she’d been to Fat Cats and remembered seeing a guy acting weird, aloof and possessive of Summer. He’d drank beer, spent time on a PDA and drove off at the end of the night in a dark-colored SUV. That didn’t sound like the Josh Powell Ellis Maxwell knew. Still, it was a lead.

Ellis Maxwell: Yeah, knowing Josh, you’re thinking “nah, he’s not the type of person that would get involved in prostitution” but being in police work for 20 years, nothing really surprises me anymore.

Dave Cawley: Detectives identified more possible “Summer” candidates. One lived in Moab, a desert resort town in the south-eastern part of Utah. They checked her out, even visiting her apartment in person. She was not the right one. Another possible Summer met with police in mid-August of 2010. She agreed to take a lie detector test, which she passed. Andrew said she wasn’t the right Summer when he later saw her picture.

Andrew Anderson: They were going to St. George. They were going to Moab. They were, Derryl and Maxwell were all over the place, man.

Dave Cawley: That same month, Andrew sent U.S. Marshal Derryl Spencer a letter, asking for help getting moved to a better jail or into a residential drug treatment program. He said it would free him up to spend all his time searching for Summer.

Andrew Anderson: I didn’t like where I was at. So Derryl was helping me get moved around to where I wanted to be at, where the prison had space at better jails, for helping them. And finally he just got me back to the prison where I wanted to be.

Dave Cawley: There was a problem though. Andrew’s story kept shifting. He added new bits, like that Summer was a “featherwood,” or female member of a white supremacist gang. In spite of not being able to positively identify Summer, Andrew did provide information on other cases that seemed to check out.

Toward the end of September, police learned Emily had returned from Michigan. Word was getting around that she, too, was on the hunt for Summer.

Ellis Maxwell (from September 30, 2010 police recording): So this whole time you’ve been out and you’ve been amongst these people. You haven’t obtained any information that we need on this Summer girl?

Emily L. (from September 30, 2010 police recording): I’ve tried.

Ellis Maxwell (from September 30, 2010 police recording): I thought you said you could get it.

Dave Cawley: At the end of September, Emily showed up at West Valley police headquarters for an interview.

Emily L. (from September 30, 2010 police recording): When I first ran into these guys, they came up and saw me they’re like “do you know so and-so, do you know so-and-so, have you ever been here or here or here” and I’m like “no.” And I honestly didn’t think I had. And then when they started like, jogging my memory, mentioning different places, times, people, I was kind of like “well, that could be.” Y’know what I mean? And I wasn’t lying.

Dave Cawley: She’d agreed to undergo a lie detector test.

Steve O’Camb (from September 30, 2010 police recording): Do you know Summer?

Emily L. (from September 30, 2010 police recording): No.

Steve O’Camb (from September 30, 2010 police recording):  Is this the month of September.

Emily L. (from September 30, 2010 police recording): Yes.

Steve O’Camb (from September 30, 2010 police recording): Have you ever talked to Summer about the murdered wife?

Emily L. (from September 30, 2010 police recording): No.

Dave Cawley: So, police decided to put Andrew and Emily together in the same room.

Andrew Anderson: I was in Davis County Jail and all of the sudden Emily showed up there one day.

Dave Cawley: The police left Andrew and Emily alone for a bit then split the two up and asked each what they’d talked about. Andrew and Emily gave two different accounts of their conversation. What’s more, Emily admitted to having used meth that very morning. In her purse, the police reported finding another person’s checkbook, credit cards and I.D. The police arrested her and handed her over to a probation officer, who had just obtained an arrest warrant.

A week later, the police also gave Andrew through a lie detector test. They asked if he actually believed it was Josh Powell he had seen at Fat Cats back in July of 2009. Andrew said yes. The test did not reveal any signs of deception.

Andrew Anderson: They gave me lie detector test after lie detector test and I passed them all.

Dave Cawley: Andrew kept writing letters. On April 25^th of 2011, he sent a letter to detectives Gavin Cook and Ellis Maxwell. He said he’d been in touch with people who knew where Summer was hiding. She had agreed to talk, in exchange for full immunity and half a million dollars in cash.

Andrew’s story continued to evolve. He claimed Susan had got wind of Josh spending time on chat lines and going out in public with prostitutes. Enraged, she’d planned to leave with the boys. Josh had used his supposed connections in the criminal underworld to keep that from happening. Andrew felt frustrated. He he’d given police information, but seemed to get nothing in return.

Andrew Anderson: In all honesty I was just, I wanted to help ‘em out but I was also trying to help myself out. Because I was given an 18 month sentence, that’s what my max was supposed to be and I did five-plus years on it.

Dave Cawley: In July of 2011, Andrew told police he’d found out who’d put out the “hit” on Josh. He dangled that carrot in an effort to keep from being moved to the prison in Gunnison. At the start of August, Andrew provided a list of possible Summer associates, people who might know where to find her. He also told detectives Susan’s body could be in some mountains south of Interstate 80 in Utah’s West Desert. But the specific directions he gave didn’t make any sense.

By December, as Josh was fighting for custody of his boys in Washington state, Andrew landed just where he didn’t want to be: in Gunnison. He didn’t give up trying to work a deal. On the two-year anniversary of Susan’s disappearance, he begged for help getting out. In a letter, he claimed to have given police information about Steve Powell possessing child pornography, before the August, 2011 search warrant raid at Steve’s house.

Andrew Anderson: I gave them all that information and Steven Powell got put away for child pornography, all that stuff. And Josh Powell, I said go look on Josh Powell’s computer right now and you’ll have plenty to arrest him.

Dave Cawley: That’s a claim not backed up by the facts. I asked Andersen to explain that. He stood by his claim that his tip prompted the raid.

Andrew Anderson: I liked Maxwell a lot but as soon as Maxwell got that information about Steve Powell, they were up there arresting him.

Dave Cawley: So I asked Ellis if Andrew’s tips in any way contributed.

Ellis Maxwell: There wasn’t anything that, uh, Andrew shared with us that benefited the investigation. Nothing.

Dave Cawley: Still, a detective drove out to meet with Andrew in January of 2012. Andrew’s story changed again. He no longer said Susan’s remains were in Utah.

Andrew Anderson: Susan Powell’s in Idaho, dude. Between Idaho and Washington. That’s where she’s at.

Dave Cawley: Andrew offered yet more names of people who might help find Summer. Some of the people he suggested were incarcerated, others were living on the streets. Tracking them down was not easy, but police did. None had any useful information. One complained that Andrew was “nuts.”

Ellis Maxwell: That’s a, that’s a really good example of depleting your resources and burning up valuable time.

Dave Cawley: Around the start of February of 2012, right around the time Josh killed the boys, police in the city of South Salt Lake served a search warrant at house frequented by one of the people Andrew had named. West Valley detectives caught wind of it. They compared notes with their colleagues in South Salt Lake. At last, they were able to come up with a likely identity for “Summer.”

They took her picture to the prison in Gunnison and showed it to Andrew. He said she was not the right Summer. Enough was enough. Ellis confronted Andrew.

Ellis Maxwell: I, I, I believe I specifically asked him what he wanted out of this. What was he looking for because information he was sharing with us, uh, y’know, wasn’t taking us anywhere. We weren’t gaining any ground. We weren’t getting any evidence. We weren’t getting any information.

Dave Cawley: Ellis wanted to know why Andrew hadn’t come forward with all of the information at the beginning. He asked why Andrew, of all people, would be the source. Andrew did not have good answers.

Ellis Maxwell: Andrew Andersen. Yeah he, he burned up a lot of our time. Umm, and y’know, we had some very frank conversations with him, uh, through that time frame, uh, and eventually, uh, we shut the door.

Dave Cawley: The most Ellis could say was that someone who looked like Josh might have been at Fat Cats in July of 2009 with a blonde woman who went by the name Summer. Or maybe it was all bogus.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, it’s kind of ironic that you end up with three leads that are out of the Salt Lake Valley here that involve Josh and, uh, sexual activity. And I think that uh, you’ve got to put a little more weight into that, into those leads because it’s not your traditional lead of, like well for example the Flying J allegations there. Y’know, there was, there was that. That was it.

Dave Cawley: As for Andrew, his trouble with the law continued. Prison records show he was released on parole at the end of 2013. Finally, he could hunt down Summer and get her to talk.

Andrew Anderson: Well the last time I heard from her was 2012, 2013. She’d write me letters and stuff like that. Yeah. Then all of the sudden they stopped, so…. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: In 2014, Andrew was accused of passing forged checks. It resulted in his parole being revoked for half a year. He got out again at the end of 2015.

Andrew Anderson: Word on the street when I got out, and I tried to relate it to Derryl, was that she overdosed on heroin. Whether that’s true or not, I don’t know. But I’ve not seen her around.

Dave Cawley: Then, in 2017, Andrew was accused of stealing his own brother’s identity in order to rent an apartment. He cut a plea deal and got off with time served. When I talked to Andrew in June of 2018, he told me he was done looking for Summer.

Andrew Anderson: The only ways to do it is to start going to strip clubs and uh, hanging out with escorts and strippers again. And that, I don’t like that so, I’m far beyond that.

Dave Cawley: Andrew expressed a lot of anger over how everything had played out and called West Valley police “idiots.”

Andrew Anderson: It’s just frustrating, man. It really is and I know West Valley feels, or should at least have guilt about and know that they screwed up pretty dang bad.

Dave Cawley: But how much time and effort did the investigators spend on a lead that went nowhere?

Ellis Maxwell: I think they were spun off from information they received from the media and that’s why it’s important for us to have those records sealed. I can only imagine if we didn’t keep those records sealed and all the information in those affidavits was released, we would have probably ended up with thousands of more tips and leads that we would have had’ve, y’know, wasted resources on for nothing.

Dave Cawley: Ellis said they couldn’t ignore Andrew’s tip, just because it came from an inmate.

Ellis Maxwell: It was likely. I mean, it was something that we definitely had to explore and you know what if we would’ve, if we would’ve found some evidence there to, to support any of those or all three of them, ok now we’ve got, y’know, we’ve got a motive. Right? I mean, outside of that, our motive is what? He doesn’t want to go to church? We probably spent a little bit more time on that than what we should have but at the end of the day, y’know, it’s not going to hurt our investigation. You do what you’ve gotta do.

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Dave Cawley: West Valley police were never able to develop solid information to back up any claims of infidelity involving Josh. They even went so far as asking Steve about Summer or Kourtney while he was in prison after Josh killed Charlie and Braden.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 31, 2012, journal entry): We could not talk Josh into dating. His only concern, his whole life, was his boys.

Dave Cawley: Questions of infidelity in Josh and Susan’s marriage, weren’t just reserved for Josh. West Valley police also had to determine if Susan might have been unfaithful. Three days before Susan disappeared, she typed an email to a male coworker at Wells Fargo Investments.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from December 4, 2009 email): I’ve dreamed about at least 5 coworkers since I’ve come here. Some dreams are G, some are PG-13 and one rate X. … It was hard to look at that person for about a month afterwards.

Dave Cawley: Co-workers were not the only ones who crept into Susan’s dreams. Mel Gibson made frequent guest appearances. Most of the dreams were innocuous, but she tended to share with the people who showed up in them, anyway.

Linda Bagley: I really didn’t feel like she realized how much she was turning somebody on, that what she was saying was not maybe the, ‘cause she was just an open book. It didn’t matter if you were a guy or a girl. So when you’re TMI and it’s a guy, it’s going to have a different effect than if you’re TMI and it’s a girl. (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: That’s Linda Bagley, one of Susan’s closest work friends. Linda saw it clearly: Susan had admirers. The attention caused problems.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from September 22, 2009 email): I even had a coworker pat my rear while here. I retired those jeans from work that very day.

Dave Cawley: Susan wrote that email in September of 2009. She was always very clear about her commitment to her marriage. Some of her admirers chose not to hear that.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from September 28, 2009 email): They got the wrong idea, both here and when I was at Fidelity. I’m learning guys don’t differentiate married or not so you don’t do date like things like going out to lunch.

Ellis Maxwell: She wore her heart and her emotions on her shoulder. She would, uh, if she genuinely cared about you or felt comfortable with you or trusted you — whether if you’re a coworker or a member in her ward or, uh, just a neighbor — she would, she would talk openly with people. Y’know, other people — I won’t single out males — but they may pick up that vibe as being something different, right? “Ah, they’re delivering a message that they’re interested,” right?

Dave Cawley: Ellis Maxwell and the rest of the West Valley major crimes team obtained a year’s worth of Susan’s work emails in March of 2010. There were thousands of messages. They had to create a spreadsheet just to keep track of all of the people in those conversations. Several men stood out from the crowd.

Ellis Maxwell: We weren’t just focusing on Josh we were looking at everything—

Dave Cawley: Yeah.

Ellis Maxwell: —and everybody.

Dave Cawley: Ellis knew he had to talk to these coworkers.

Ellis Maxwell: And y’know, that’s part of investigative work as well is recognizing that and saying “gosh, do I really think this person’s involved? No. Does it look like it? Could there be a probable chance? Maybe.” You’ve got to prove and disprove.

Dave Cawley: The big scandal of 2009 at Susan’s office was the divorce of a woman she worked with and that woman’s subsequent marriage to a coworker. The office romance prompted all kinds of office gossip. For Susan, it led to some reflection about her own thoughts of divorcing Josh.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from April 13, 2009 email): If I was separated from Josh, I wouldn’t already be dating. I’d be hanging out with the girls, dealing with lawyers, trying to get and keep custody of my kids.

Dave Cawley: The guy who she sent that email to had joked that Susan and Josh could deal with their marital troubles by buying a copy of the Kama Sutra. Susan’s friend and coworker Amber Hardman told there was zero chance of Susan having an affair.

Amber Hardman: She liked that guys were flirting with her but she said she would never act on it and I believe her. She spent most of her lunch breaks and breaks with me. We’d hang out and walk around the building or go exercise in the exercise room so, I mean, I know she wasn’t spending her extra time at work with these people.

Dave Cawley: Susan’s email exchanges with male coworkers always seemed to return to the topic of her marriage.

Ellis Maxwell: She would make it very clear that she was only interested in Josh. Y’know, though she would share, y’know, her thoughts and her stories and everything else, y’know, it would be followed with, y’know, how much she cared about Josh and their relationship.

Dave Cawley: And yet, one guy in particular caused police concern. His name was Ryan.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): It’s like I told a friend, I’m like “if they’re talking to me there at the bottom of the barrel again.” (Laughs)

Gavin Cook (from June 9, 2010 police recording): Well, we’re just making sure we didn’t miss anything.

Dave Cawley: Ryan and Susan were former coworkers. When they’d worked together, he sometimes gave her rides home. West Valley detectives interviewed Ryan, more than once.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): I don’t know, she always referred to me as her sugar daddy because I’d always bring chocolate at work. She was really cool.

Dave Cawley: Susan and Ryan’s friendship had progressed to a point where she privately called him her “back burner husband.”

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): Yeah we, we got along great at work. She was a sweetheart. She was just, she was just uh, yeah, she was great. Umm… (pause) I don’t know. One thing that always struck me are her boundaries. She would tell me things that my wife should tell me.

Dave Cawley: Ryan, like Susan, was married. Privately, Susan figured if they ever both ended up divorced, he was an option.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): We kept in touch via email and she’s like “do I come across as a flirt?” And I’m like “yes, I think you do more than you know.” (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Ryan got along with Josh as well as anyone could, but he didn’t respect him much. He knew Josh was a realtor.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): I would call Josh and ask real estate advice. And then I’d do the exact opposite of what he’d tell me. And I sold my house, go figure.

Dave Cawley: Susan and Ryan fell out of touch for awhile after she gave birth to Braden. Then, in October of 2008, he sent her an email out of the blue. It said, “I miss you.”

I should mention here that I contacted Ryan and asked him to do an interview. He declined. I’m not using his last name out of consideration for his privacy.

Susan responded to Ryan’s 2008 email with a long message all about her troubles with Josh. She also mentioned her dreams.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from October 25, 2008 email to Ryan B.): Still having my dreams but lately only the old “jerk ex boyfriend” from junior high and high school appears. Although there has been the intermittent male coworker over here appearing. Just think, that could be you.

Dave Cawley: Ryan told Susan he’d had several dreams about her as well. One, he said, would’ve made her blush. He explained he had a cell phone his wife couldn’t access and said she could call him any time, for any reason. Susan gave Ryan her cell phone number as well.

In another email, Ryan called Susan “my dear.” In a follow-up message, he said she had the right to be happy.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from an October 28, 2008 email to Ryan B.): So are you going to make me happy? Problem is, I still love the guy I married. I just don’t know if I’ll ever get that back.

Dave Cawley: Ryan replied that he didn’t want to interfere with what Susan had going, but said “I have always thought you were beautiful.” Susan continued to vent about Josh’s laziness. In April of 2009, she teased Ryan about possibly taking over.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from April 11, 2009 email to Ryan B.): So you are saying I’d have to marry you in order to get some work done around the house? Too bad the plural marriage thing is frowned upon now. Maybe services in exchange for the handy work I can’t get Josh to do? Too bad I have a conscience and morals and stuff… dang that.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): She’d told me that Josh never, ever wanted sex. That, and I told her, generally that’s because he’s looking at porn or he’s cheating on you. (Laughs)

Gavin Cook (from June 9, 2010 police recording): What was her response?

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): Oh no, no, I don’t think that.” But I told her, Generally when a guy doesn’t want it, umm, it’s one of those two factors.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from April 11, 2009 email to Ryan B.): Oh if only I had my chocolate daddy to goof off with and influence my naughty dreams. Oh by the way, I did have another one, but sorry, you weren’t the male coworker I dreamed about. … So now you have competition.

Dave Cawley: There was more.

Kristen Sorenson (as Susan Powell from April 11, 2009 email to Ryan B.): Josh stayed out late Thursday night for a computer geek thing, and I asked him how long he thought it’d be, like 6, 9 or midnight and he said “have your boyfriend gone by 9.” And so I said to obviously nobody in the room, “oh did you hear that Ryan? He says we have until 9.”

Dave Cawley: You can just imagine what detectives thought when they first read all of those emails.

Ellis Maxwell: Definitely with that coworker, y’know, he needed to be, uh, talked with and, and ran through a CVSA.

Dave Cawley: Ryan agreed to come in an take the lie detector test at the end of June of 2010.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): I, I, I don’t think she would be capable of cheating on Josh because, her faith.

Dave Cawley: Ryan spoke candidly. He denied knowing what’d happened to Susan.

Ryan B. (from June 9, 2010 police recording): If she ran off, she would’ve taken the kids. I mean, at the risk of her life, she would have taken the kids.

Dave Cawley: The test showed he was telling the truth.

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Dave Cawley: No discussion of leads in the Susan Powell investigation is complete without addressing Steve Powell’s theory about Susan running off with Steven Koecher.

Ellis Maxwell: It’s hilarious. It was comical, umm, and how that evolved and developed, I don’t know if it was a combination of Josh and Steve collaborating and going “Look, Josh…”

Dave Cawley: I mentioned this back in episode 9, when describing Steve’s February, 2010 interview with the FBI. He suggested to a pair of special agents that Susan had slipped away to Brazil.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I mean, y’know, that’s one of the reasons I wanted to send this stuff on to the FBI because the FBI has access to passport records, I mean, I assume you do. I don’t know. Maybe you guys don’t have any easier time than the rest of us trying to get information but Josh says she didn’t have a passport and I say she did.

Dave Cawley: Steven Koecher was 30 years old when he vanished from the area of Henderson, Nevada on December 13, 2009. That’s about a week after Susan was last seen at her home in West Valley City, Utah, more than 400 miles from Henderson. A home surveillance camera captured video of Koecher walking away from his car at a cul-desac in the Sun City Anthem retirement community.

Like Susan, Koecher was a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He’d served a two-year mission for the church in north-eastern Brazil, speaking Portuguese. After his mission, he’d bounced around several jobs in the Salt Lake City area.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Even though he lived in St. George, he didn’t move there until April of, of last year. And before that he worked in Salt Lake City. At one place he was two blocks from where she worked. Y’know?

Russ Johnson (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Ok.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): He worked at the Salt Lake Tribune, she worked at Fidelity Investments.

Dave Cawley: It’s not clear what brought Koecher to the outskirts of Las Vegas, but some have speculated it might have been a job opportunity. Steve Powell had a different take.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Goes down to this area, arranges for a boat, y’know, probably in Boulder City and on the 13^th he comes down here, abandons his car in Henderson. Don’t ask me why Henderson and don’t ask me why he abandoned his car. Why didn’t he just — oh no, I mean, God, stupid — I mean, obviously he was trying to make it look like a disappearance, y’know, like the Susan Powell disappearance.

Dave Cawley: Ellis said the coincidence of two people disappearing around the same time deserved attention.

Ellis Maxwell: The Koecher thing, yeah. Steppin’ outside the box looking in, y’know, some people could be like “now this is, this is weird, this is just odd that these two people go missing and there’s a period of time there that it was, y’know, could be very likely.”

Dave Cawley: Steve’s theory was based on a perception of Koecher that was detached from reality. He wrote this in one of many journal entries about the theory.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 17, 2010 journal entry): Susan has always been attracted to “bad boys.” I sort of visualize Steven Koecher as a “ne’er do well” who carries around a guitar and a skateboard, and who has a college degree by virtue of his parents’ affluence.

Dave Cawley: Steve suggested Koecher might have disguised himself by growing a beard and mustache and putting on a hat. Susan, he said, had probably adopted a “black-haired Latin look” and told the special agents to seek evidence at cosmetology supply stores in Brazil.

Russ Johnson (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): You think they hooked up in West Valley somehow.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I think so.

Russ Johnson (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Ok.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I really do.

Russ Johnson (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Alright.

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): I think so. That’s my surmise.

Gary France (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Did you run this all by Josh? This theory?

Steve Powell (from February 24, 2010 FBI interview recording): Yeah and again, Josh’s attitude is “hmm, sounds pretty plausible to me.”

Dave Cawley: Josh was only humoring his father. He didn’t buy the Koecher theory at all. Steve conceded as much in his journal.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from May 15, 2010 journal entry): Josh had a hard time thinking she would run off with another man. Michael kept reminding me that I’d feel pretty bad if I touted such a theory and later found out she had been raped and tortured for weeks or months. Michael and Josh don’t talk about Steven Koecher much.

Dave Cawley: In August of 2010, Steve wrote that one of his nephews had drawn his attention to the website Reddit, where he saw several interesting AMA or “ask me anything” threads.

One came from a Redditor using the handle Missing-Inaction, who on August 19^th of 2010 posted an AMA thread with the title “I faked my own suicide and left the country.” Missing-Inaction claimed to be a man in his late 20s who suffered from depression and fled his life in the U.S., ending up in Peru. Steve supposed Missing-Inaction might actually be Susan. He dismissed the obvious problem that Missing-Inaction was a man.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 29, 2010 journal entry): I spent so much time last weekend and yesterday reading everything MIA said, most of it in context with the questions posed to her, I have begun to hope I am hearing from Susan finally.

Dave Cawley: Steve took interest in another AMA session as well, where a Redditor described life in Fortaleza, Brazil. That’s exactly where Steve believed Koecher had gone with Susan.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 29, 2010 journal entry): The person writing, who calls himself Slavishmuffin — I’ll refer to him as SM — Coincidentally Susan’s initials are SMP, or SMK if she has married Koecher, which I also think is a strong possibility, for Susan Marie. So it wouldn’t be too unusual for Koecher to come up with a handle that uses her initials.

Dave Cawley: Steve was really stretching here. The theory continued to grow more elaborate and nonsensical. In an August 2^nd, 2011, journal entry Steve wrote:

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 2, 2011 journal entry): Josh found out today that a flight plan is not required for small planes. Susan would have known that tidbit, since her father Chuck Cox works for the FAA. I suggested months ago that investigators check flights out of Lake Havasu and since Steven Koecher was in that area the day before he disappeared. And of course I believe Susan is with him. It also occurred to me today … that maybe Chuck Cox himself picked Susan and Koecher up at one of those airports.

Dave Cawley: Ellis Maxwell contacted police in St. George, Wendover and Henderson, all cities tied to the Koecher case. The agencies compared notes. They created a timeline that showed Koecher was in St. George — 300 miles away from West Valley — on the day of Susan’s disappearance.

Ellis Maxwell: So yeah, kudos to Steve bringing that up. Great, thank you. Y’know, I ran that lead down with some of my peers and again, y’know, I wasn’t expecting to find anything but I was hopeful, y’know. Maybe, maybe there is a chance that Mr. Koecher and her eloped but, umm, no. Nothing came of it.

Dave Cawley: Just to be sure, they compared phone records and found no contacts between Koecher’s number and Susan’s.

Ellis Maxwell: But it was, uh, it was, it was definitely helpful because that could’ve been another red herring and now it’s been put to bed and we can focus on Josh.

Dave Cawley: On the next episode of Cold.

Wayne Pyle (From May 20, 2013 KSL TV archive): We are announcing the end of the active phase for the search for Susan.

Dave Cawley: Steve Powell couldn’t cope. News of his daughter-in-law’s disappearance down in Utah had thrown his entire world into disarray. On December 12, 2009, he wrote this in his digital journal.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 12, 2009, journal entry): Last night when I got home Michael and Alina told me that Josh was freaking out now. Evidently, they found blood in the entry way of his house and are checking that out. … Michael and I were tentatively planning to go down to Utah next Friday or Saturday. He wanted us to leave within the hour. I was tired. I am emotionally drained. I told Michael I could not do that. He said he would go with Alina.

Dave Cawley: Michael and Alina departed for Utah on December 12^th. West Valley City police had their first interaction with Michael five days later, when they served their third search warrant at the Sarah Circle house.

On the night of December 21^st, Michael and Alina were headed back home to Washington when they pulled off of I-84 in Baker City, Oregon. They’d stopped just north of the intersection of Elm and Indiana. Something was wrong with Michael’s Ford Taurus. Alina called AAA. She wanted a tow all the way to Pendleton, almost 100 miles away. She and her brother had a reservation at the Motel 6 there. 

It was snowing over the Blue Mountains. AAA called a few of the tow shops in the region but all were either too busy or unwilling to brave the storm.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 21, 2009, digital journal entry): Michael called from Baker City, Oregon, to tell me that his transmission had gone out, that the gears had quit engaging. Fortunately, they were a quarter-mile from a motel, and were able to secure lodging.

Dave Cawley: Just before 10 a.m. the next morning, Alina called AAA again. She again insisted on a tow for herself, her dog and her brother Michael to Pendleton. The dispatcher warned Alina that was a 97-mile tow. It would result in over-mileage charges. And there were auto shops in La Grande, which was only half the distance. Alina replied she was broke and couldn’t afford repairs or the additional charge but she had to get to Pendleton that day.

AAA made it happen. M.J. Goss Motors in La Grande sent a driver to Baker City, where he picked up Michael and Alina. Then, they rode all the way to Pendleton, and dropped Michael’s Ford Taurus at Lindell Auto.

This is Cold, episode 15: Fall of the House of Powell. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: Michael was in many ways the brightest of the Powell children. When he was 18, he flew to Europe alone to spend several months backpacking. At the time in June of 2000, Steve wrote this about his youngest son.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from June 18, 2000, journal entry): Michael was always quiet, happy and contemplative as a child. He was the complete opposite of a hyperactive child. And he still is that way. There is always something very deep going on behind those eyes.

Dave Cawley: Two years later, in October of 2002, Michael enlisted in the U.S. Army. He trained in human intelligence, learned Korean at the Defense Language Institute and was eventually stationed at Menwith Hill in England, a hub in the United States’ electronic surveillance network. Michael’s next duty station was in Seoul, South Korea. In a later letter, Steve told Michael how that military service had affected him.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 23, 2012, letter to Michael Powell): I worried about you throughout your military career, and other parents’ losses were felt more deeply because I knew, I was exposed to the possibility of similar loss.

Dave Cawley: Michael received an honorable discharge from the Army in 2007. The next year, he ran for a seat in the Washington legislature. He prevailed in the primary but failed to win the general election.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 23, 2012, letter to Michael Powell): I worried when you ran for state legislature, that the hiatus might derail your academic career.

Dave Cawley: Michael received a two-year degree in intelligence operations from Cochise College in Arizona before graduating from the University of Washington with a four-year degree in International Studies in 2009. The University of Minnesota accepted Michael into a PhD program in early 2010. That September, Michael bought a condo at 431 South 7th Street in Minneapolis. He moved away from Washington for good.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 23, 2012, letter to Michael Powell): Now I worry that you won’t get the respect you deserve, or that you’ll work so long and hard that you’ll burn out before you reach your goal. I worry and wonder about how you’ll best use your credentials once you have them.

Dave Cawley: Michael’s move to Minnesota kept him away from the eyes of police, until August of 2011. During Operation Tsunami, police repeatedly overheard Josh talking to Michael on the wiretap. Detective Ellis Maxwell wouldn’t tell me what they discussed, but court records show Michael often warned his brother police were likely eavesdropping. They would move their conversations to encrypted emails.

Ellis Maxwell: We later discovered that he was using a voice over IP phone number to check his voicemail. So y’know, this is, it wasn’t uncommon for him to, uh, engage in conversation through, y’know, encrypting an email or using a voice over IP phone number.

Dave Cawley: VOIP calls travel over the internet. Like emails, they can be encrypted.

Ellis Maxwell: And he was doing this even clear back, the day before Susan went missing, and the day of. 

Dave Cawley: At the start of September 2011, West Valley police worked with the DEA and federal prosecutors to subpoena Michael’s cell phone records surrounding the time of Susan’s disappearance. Those records showed Michael typically made and received several calls a day. But after getting a spam call on Friday, December 4^th of 2009, his phone went dark. There were no calls on December 5^th or 6^th. On the afternoon of December 7^th, the day of Susan’s disappearance, Michael checked his voicemail, right around the same time Josh was coming off the Pony Express Trail. 

Then, his phone went dark again until the afternoon of December 12^th of 2009, as he was driving to Utah with Alina. This change in behavior seemed curious. Then, police found Michael’s car in Pendleton.

Detective Ellis Maxwell: Made him very suspicious, and that led to us following up with him more and going to Minneapolis and trying to talk to him.

Dave Cawley: A detective and lieutenant flew to Minneapolis in October of 2011 to interview Michael. They caught him by surprise. Warrant affidavits later filed in court revealed the police asked Michael about the whereabouts of his Ford Taurus. Michael said the car had broken down in Pendleton awhile back. He didn’t volunteer that it had actually broken down nearly 100 miles away in Baker City or that he’d sold it for just a hundred bucks in the apparent hope that it would be destroyed.

Detective Ellis Maxwell: He wouldn’t answer any questions and he straight told ‘em, like, even if he thought that his brother was involved he wouldn’t tell us anything.

Dave Cawley: The lieutenant warned Michael that could be viewed as obstructing the investigation. It could put his PhD program at risk. Worse yet, Michael might face charges himself. This appeared to rattle Michael.

Two months later, he went to the website for a satellite imaging company in Colorado called Apollo Mapping. He entered his name, phone number and email address into a contact form, along with the message “I am looking for an aerial photo of Pendleton, Oregon taken in October 2011 or later.”

The company responded, saying its most recent image available dated back to August. Michael said that wasn’t recent enough. It had to be October or later.

Ellis Maxwell: It is interesting that they went 100 miles north to dispose of it and then him being concerned why it wasn’t smashed and looking for satellite imagery.

Dave Cawley: Michael’s car hadn’t yielded the break Ellis had hoped it would. Once the Taurus was back in Utah, detectives tore out the trunk carpet and found hair.

Ellis Maxwell: And again, we thought it was a huge break.

Dave Cawley: It seemed to suggest Michael might have transported Susan’s body in the trunk of his car, then trashed the car to get rid of the evidence. Police sent the the hair and swabs from around the trunk to Utah’s state crime lab.

Ellis Maxwell: When that was done and we had a full DNA profile, the lab called me and I went down and, and sat with them and I had butterflies. Umm, I was excited, I was nervous but then again I was skeptical, I mean, again because, y’know, is this going to be another swift kick in the guts? And at the end of the day, it was. It wasn’t her profile.

Dave Cawley: The hair had not come from Susan. That setback didn’t quell suspicion about Michael. 

In November of 2011, West Valley police obtained federal warrants for pen register and trap-and- trace devices on Josh and Michael internet connections. That allowed them to see the IP addresses related to Josh and Michael’s online activities.

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Dave Cawley: Detectives reading through Steve Powell’s digital journals started to notice some interesting entries regarding Josh and Michael 

In one, dated January 4^th of 2010, Steve talked about Josh and Michael’s plan to drive a U-Haul to Utah, so Josh could empty out the Sarah Circle House.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from January 4, 2010, journal entry): He is concerned that when he goes to Utah the press will begin hounding him again. He is also worried that the police will harass him and maybe arrest him.

Dave Cawley: While the Powell brothers were in Utah, Josh went to the office of attorney Thomas E. Nelson in Salt Lake City. He was there to make changes to the trust he and Susan had formed 11 months earlier.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 23, 2009, journal entry): He had been talking about his life insurance, as he had hinted at before, with direct reference to his own demise.

Dave Cawley: Josh had hinted at his own suicide two years before it happened. Susan had been missing for barely a month, but Josh was already obsessed with keeping her parents away from the boys. He asked his dad to serve as Charley and Braden’s surrogate parent, if he were to be arrested or worse.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 23, 2009, journal entry): I told him I did not know if I was up to the responsibility, and told him to work hard to make sure he is exonerated, so that the kids will have their father.

Dave Cawley: In its original form, the trust called for Chuck Cox and Michael Powell to serve as co-trustees, in the event both Josh and Susan were incapacitated.

Kenn Fall (as Steve Powell from December 23, 2009, journal entry): He wants us to keep them active in the church, so that I will have the local LDS congregation behind his decision to give me custody, should something happen to him. … If I am taking the kids to church, they will not mobilize their resources against me, in his mind.

Dave Cawley: On that day in early January 2010, Josh made an amendment to the trust, removing Chuck Cox. Under the amendment, Michael would become the sole trustee if something were to happen to Josh. The change required both Josh and Susan’s signatures. But Josh signed for Susan, using the power of attorney she’d granted him.

Fast forward to the start of October of 2011. Steve had just been arrested and the kids seized by the state of Washington. Josh immediately met with a New York Life agent in Tacoma and signed paperwork changing the beneficiaries on his life insurance. He removed the trust that he’d formed with Susan. And in its place, listed Michael and Alina in a 50-50 split.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from December 3, 2011, letter to Michael Powell): It is part of a paper trail to show my intentions. You, Alina, John, and Dad are my intended beneficiaries according to my forms.

Dave Cawley: On December 3^rd of 2011, Josh changed the distribution again. He set the pay-out to 93% for Michael, 4% for Alina and 3% for his brother John. He sent Michael this hand-written letter explaining the changes.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from December 3, 2011, letter to Michael Powell): I know you don’t want the money so I am trusting that you will use it for my sons if the need were to arise. I have decided that Alina may not be financially responsible enough for that duty. Plus, if she was taking care of my sons, you would need to provide the financial oversight.

Dave Cawley: Josh called Alina the best possible caretaker for Charlie and Braden, aside from himself.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from December 3, 2011, letter to Michael Powell): I am not forwarding these forms to Alina or John because I don’t want them to feel bad for having such a small share. I just don’t want them to squander the money. John will totally understand, I’m sure. I obviously trust Alina, but she needs to learn job skills. She’ll learn them better by having less money available to her.

Dave Cawley: Michael was the only person Josh trusted without condition.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from December 3, 2011, letter to Michael Powell): I love you all equally even if these percentages aren’t equal.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s letter to Michael came as he was in the middle of that custody fight with Susan’s parents. It was early December, and he still believed that he would prevail.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from December 3, 2011, letter to Michael Powell): My attorney is very positive about the situation. He feels my rights are being severely trampled so it is only a matter of time before we can start to force some moves.

Dave Cawley: Yet, Josh didn’t know police had found those incestuous cartoon images on his computer. Then, on the day after that fateful court hearing on February 1^st of 2012, Josh mailed Michael keys to his storage unit and several letters granting his brother full ownership of his personal property. That included his computers and hard drives, which were still in the hands of police.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 2, 2012, letter to Michael Powell): I specifically grant you full ownership and rights to negotiate and obtain my property from the police department when the time comes.

Dave Cawley: There was more.

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from February 2, 2012, letter to Michael Powell): I irrevocably grant you full ownership and rights in all of my intellectual property to include, but not limited to: my name and likeness, my story, my software, websites and databases which I have created.

Dave Cawley: Three days later, Josh did the unthinkable.

On February 13^th of 2012, as Susan’s family was burying Charlie and Braden at the Woodbine Cemetery, Steve Powell filed a “notice to law enforcement authorities” with the Pierce County Superior Court. It notified West Valley police, the FBI and any “Utah law enforcement” that Steve was asserting his right to remain silent about Susan. 

The very next day, on Valentine’s Day, Michael and Alina contacted New York Life to lay claim to their brother’s life insurance.

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Dave Cawley: Michael and Alina’s play for Josh’s insurance put New York Life in a difficult spot. If the company paid out on Josh’s policy to his siblings, it would likely face a lawsuit from Susan’s family. Because Susan wasn’t dead in the eyes of the law, she could arguably still come forward and assert a claim on the money through the trust.

On the other hand, if New York Life denied Michael and Alina’s claims, the Powell’s were likely to sue. 

So, on March 3^rd of 2012, New York Life filed what’s known as an interpleader lawsuit. It essentially asked the federal court in Tacoma to decide what should happen with the money. The lawsuit called into question all of the changes Josh had made to his beneficiaries, due to concerns about his mental state.

Everyone got served: Steve, Terri, John, Michael, Alina, Chuck, Judy, Susan’s estate, the trust and on and on. Beneficial Life, which also held a half-million dollar policy in Josh’s name joined in on the suit as well.

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Dave Cawley: The RCFL continued to uncover clues about Michael, like this Steve Powell journal entry from April 22^nd of 2010.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from April 22, 2010, journal entry): This evening Josh was recording his voice on the version of “Susan with the Sunlight Hair” I arranged for him. Where the chorus goes “Susan with the starlight, Susan with the moonlight, Susan with the sunlight hair,” Michael substituted “Susan with the nappy, Susan with the mangy, Susan with the unkempt hair.” … He had me laughing so hard, I had to have him leave my studio.

Dave Cawley: The RCFL also found pictures on that hard drive police had seized from Josh’s safe deposit box. Josh had snapped the photos during a drive between West Valley and Puyallup in May of 2010.

For some reason, he’d stopped along I-84 a bit north of Ontario, Oregon and short of Farewell Bend. West Valley detectives identified the exact spot in and went to search alongside the freeway on May 2^nd of 2012. They didn’t find anything. Why Josh shot that picture remains a mystery.

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Dave Cawley: About a month after the fire, police went back to the U.S. District Court to ask for a search warrant, this time targeting Michael’s University of Minnesota internet traffic. The warrant sought all emails sent and received by Michael since August 16^th of 2011, the first day of the wiretap from Operation Tsunami.

Meantime, in Washington, Steve’s defense team tried to convince Pierce County Superior Court Judge Ronald Culpepper that West Valley’s search of Steve’s home had been illegal. They wanted all of the evidence tossed.

Mark Quigley (from April 23, 2012 KSL TV archive): This is an exploratory search. In my judgement, this is a fishing expedition under the guise of searching for journals that were written over 12 years ago.

Dave Cawley: But of course, it was Steve himself who had gone on national television the prior summer to declare the journals important evidence in the case. The youngest of the Powell children, Alina, defended her father.

Alina Powell (from April 23, 2012 KSL TV archive): I do believe that he should be released from jail and I believe that based on the conduct of police, that there has been a lot of illegal hanky-panky going on and frankly that suggests that if they’re willing to go so far as to get a “warrant,” who knows how far they’re willing to go to try and back that warrant up.

Dave Cawley: Culpepper ruled, the probable cause supporting the search warrant had been valid.

Ronald Culpepper (from April 24, 2012 KSL TV archive): I think these facts offer a very reasonable inference and something that would warrant a person of reasonable caution in finding probable cause to believe that Joshua Powell, the subject of the investigation, was involved in the disappearance and very likely the death of Susan Powell.

Dave Cawley: Alina didn’t like that at all.

Alina Powell (from April 24, 2012 KSL TV archive): I empathize with his decision because he has to base it only on the four corners of the affidavit, I understand that. However, there is exculpatory evidence that was not put into the affidavit, so I actually disagree with the overall concept on that point.

Dave Cawley: While Alina arguing on behalf of her father, West Valley police obtained a subpoena for her AAA records. They learned all about the stop she and Michael had made in Baker City and their long tow to Pendleton. Detectives identified the tow driver and went to interview him. The tow driver, who declined to be interviewed for this podcast, told Ellis Maxwell Michael hadn’t said much during that long drive.

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Steve Powell’s trial began the second week of May.

Sandra Yi (from May 8, 2012 KSL TV archive): This morning, Powell waved and smiled at his daughter Alina, who sat in the back of the courtroom. Denise Cox was there, too. She said she’ll attend the trial with the hope that Powell will end his silence.

Denise Cox (from May 8, 2012 KSL TV archive): The journals are helping with the voice of Susan and it links to how sick of a person he is.

Sandra Yi (from May 8, 2012 KSL TV archive): Cox wants to the jury to see excerpts from Powell’s journals, which talk about his obsession with Susan. Prosecutors say the writings show a pattern of voyeurism. Powell’s attorney say the journal entries aren’t relevant to the case.

Dave Cawley: Judge Culpepper issued a ruling excluding from evidence Steve’s voyeur photos of Susan, as well as seven of eight passages from Steve’s journals.

Sandra Yi (from May 8, 2012 KSL TV archive): His decision is a blow to the state. Susan Powell’s sister wasn’t happy. She left the courthouse without talking to reporters.

Dave Cawley: The seven excluded excerpts all had to do with Susan, like this one.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from March 11, 2004 journal entry): I am a voyeur, and Susan is an exhibitionist. … I like having the camcorder on all the time when she is around because I want to record every possible move she makes and every inch of skin she reveals to my lustful eyes.

Dave Cawley: The one passage Culpepper did allow, said this.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 17, 2004 journal entry): I enjoy taking video shots of pretty girls in shorts and skirts, beautiful women of every age.

Dave Cawley: In another blow to the prosecution, Culpepper tossed out the child pornography charge. His reasoning was that Steve hadn’t directed those young neighbor girls to pose or act in an explicit fashion. The charge, he said, didn’t fit with the language of Washington’s criminal statute. So, deputy prosecutors Grant Blinn and Bryce Nelson had to make the case mostly on the images of the two neighbor girls.

Bryce Nelson (from May 9, 2012 KSL TV archive): They showed the girls nude, taking a bath, using the bathroom or changing clothes. The images repeatedly zoomed in on the genital area of the two girls.

Sandra Yi (from May 9, 2012 KSL TV archive): A detective with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office drew a picture of Powell’s home which is next to the victim’s house. He also described the pictures of the girls as they were shown to the jury. He says there were so many pictures, he recognized the girls when he went to talk to their mother about them.

Gary Sanders (from May 9, 2012 KSL TV archive): I got out of my vehicle and I immediately recognized victim number one, and then I could tell victim number two.

Dave Cawley: Steve’s attorneys, Mark Quigley and Travis Currie, staged the best defense they could, all things considered.

Travis Currie (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): It’s not about what you feel. It’s about what you know.

Sandra Yi (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): Steven Powell’s attorney told the jury to take away the emotion and decide the case based on the evidence, evidence they said is lacking. Travis Curry said there’s no proof Powell took the photos or that he did it for sexual gratification.

Travis Currie (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): There are people who are nosy, who like to spy on their neighbors.

Sandra Yi (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): He said the thousands of pictures of other girls on the disc support that theory.

Travis Currie (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive):  If somebody liked to look at pictures of naked pre-pubescent girls, wouldn’t there be lots of pictures of naked pre-pubescent girls?

Grant Blinn (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive):What is the defense? There’s no more naked kids on the disc? That’s the defense? Really?

Sandra Yi (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): Prosecutors fired back, saying the evidence speaks for itself. They said the images were tied to a video camera found in Powell’s bedroom. The disc also contained pictures of Powell naked, urinating and performing sex acts on himself.

Grant Blinn (from May 15, 2012 KSL TV archive): That speaks volumes to you as to who it was that filmed the girls in this case.

Dave Cawley: On May 16^th of 2012, the jury returned its verdict.

Ronald Culpepper (from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): We the jury find the defendant guilty… guilty… guilty.

Dave Cawley: On all 14 counts. Steve didn’t so much as flinch. Detective Gary Sanders, who you just heard testifying on the stand during the trial, wasn’t surprised.

Gary Sanders: Kind of interesting that, element that, he, he, y’know, found guilty. Didn’t take much for that. I think the judge at the time called him the “ultimate creepy neighbor” and that’s what he was. He just videotaped everybody.

Dave Cawley: Ellis Maxwell had also taken the stand, to explain how police knew the pictures came from Steve’s camcorder. The legal wrangling in the voyeurism case against Steve only underlined how messy he would’ve made a murder trial against Josh.

Ellis Maxwell: He is an individual that you would have to prove or disprove his involvement in this particular case. If you did not, then myself up on the stand — y’know, sure wish I had that opportunity with Josh and that was the goal — I would’ve been torn apart by a defense attorney because they easily could have pointed the finger at Steve and used him as a scape goat, for sure.

Dave Cawley: Judge Culpepper had kept Susan’s name out of the trial, but that didn’t stop her family from declaring victory.

Sandra Yi (from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): 

News Archives: Susan’s family says it’s justice for the two young girls, justice for Susan, too.

Denise Cox (from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): In the end, my sister’s vindicated on all the accusations he had against her about being promiscuous and being sexual.

Sandra Yi (from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): 

News Archives: Denise Cox says Powell got what he deserved.

Dave Cawley: Steve’s youngest child, Alina, saw it differently.

Alina Powell(from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): My family was automatically convicted two-and-a-half years ago.

Sandra Yi (from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): 

News Archives: Alina followed the trial closely, sitting in the back and taking notes. After the verdict, she sat inside the courtroom, crying. She talked about her loss in what she called a complicated situation even she doesn’t understand.

Alina Powell(from May 16, 2012 KSL TV archive): I’ve lost a sister-in-law, a sister, a brother, two darling nephews, and a great father.

Dave Cawley: After the verdict came down, Alina launched a website titled “West Valley and Pierce County Malfeasance.” She claimed the criminal investigation had amounted to illegitimate harassment of her family and abuse of authority. 

She also said police had “misrepresented Susan’s writings in bad faith” and that Susan had felt perfectly comfortable around Steve.

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Dave Cawley: Social worker Elizabeth Griffin-Hall’s frustrated call to dispatch on the day Josh killed boys ignited a firestorm of criticism when the Pierce County Law Enforcement Support Agency released the recording to the media. The agency reprimanded communications officer David Lovrak, who’d handled that call.

John Hollenhorst (from April 19, 2012 KSL TV archive): The letter of reprimand to Lovrak notes quite a bit of confusion on your part and said there appeared to be many red flags that were stated by the caller. Lovrak’s supervisor wrote in the letter that he should have asked certain questions to clarify the situation, instead of making assumptions and not listening carefully. Shortly after the tragedy Lovrak expressed his personal regret on NBC Dateline.

Dave Cawley: Lovrak, I should note, owned up to his role in the tragedy. He now works to train other dispatchers about what he calls “compassion fatigue.”

Charlie and Braden’s deaths also triggered an inquest at the Washington Department of Social and Health Services. DSHS convened a review board.

James Manley: There’s a law that says everything becomes transparent. And, in fact, I believe there was a webpage dedicated to this and all the discovery — which means the notes, the emails, my report, all the stuff — was on the web for everyone to see.

Dave Cawley: James Manley, the forensic psychologist who’d evaluated Josh’s parenting skills and recommended the psycho-sexual evaluation was himself working through what had happened.

James Manley: I think profoundly was my conclusion and coincidentally the last telephonic message to his attorney, is that he could not live without his children. That said, when he was apparently faced with a psychosexual evaluation, he did not know what to do and he could not even think about living without his sons. So he decided to end their lives.

Dave Cawley: The review board declined to say if the police, courts or social workers could have prevented the murders of Charlie and Braden. The board did suggest a lack of domestic violence training and complex “jurisdictional issues” between Utah and Washington had contributed.

Chuck Cox: They just were trying to stay away from the media, stay away from stuff and trying get rid of this as fast as they could, regardless of what was safe for the boys, the right thing for the children. So they didn’t the children’s best interest in mind, they had their self-interest in mind.

Dave Cawley: The board didn’t agree with that assessment from Chuck Cox, saying instead the social workers had demonstrated “the highest concern for the children’s health, safety and welfare.” But, the board also said that in future dependency actions involving a parent who is under criminal investigation, social workers ought to consult with case detectives before making any changes to visitation.

The DSHS files included all of the emails and reports authored by the social workers. Chuck couldn’t believe what he read. He made up his mind. He was going to sue DSHS and the social workers.

Chuck Cox: And that’s why we went ahead, when I found out about the emails between Forest and her boss and the social worker who was investigating and all that stuff that went on, I went “ok, no no. We’re going after all of them.”

Dave Cawley: I’ve made multiple attempts to contact the social workers who handled the Powell case and get their perspectives. Those overtures have all gone unanswered. I went so far as to submit written questions to Washington’s Department of Children, Youth, and Families in 2018. I received no response.

Chuck had obtained a copy of Steve and Terri’s divorce decree shortly before the murder-suicide. He found himself stunned over what the social workers had known about Josh’s past.

Chuck Cox: Well I didn’t know much about Josh until I read his divorce proceedings of his parents. That was like “oh my gosh, what are we dealing with here?” But after reading that, I’m going “wow, this guy was raised with no rules. He’s always right. Nobody’s ever challenged him. And when he is challenged,” yeah, it kind of made some more sense of what was going on in the family.

Dave Cawley: For the first time, Chuck could see a direct link between how Steve had treated Terrica and how Josh had treated Susan.

Chuck Cox: Matter of fact, if you look at the divorce proceedings from Steve’s things, the same words Steve was using against Terri, he was using against Susan. The exact same words.

Dave Cawley: It brought into sharp relief Josh and Susan’s decision to move away from Puyallup a decade earlier, when they’d taken that job managing a retirement center in Yakima.

Chuck Cox: They moved away to get away from dad. And Josh knew that was to get away from his dad and he was fine with that. And for awhile it was seemed to be working better.

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Dave Cawley: Chuck also found himself busy during the summer of 2012 trying to make sense of the financial mess Josh had left behind. He asked Bank of America for a statement on the mortgage for the Sarah Circle house. To his surprise, he learned Josh had taken his name off of the mortgage before the murder-suicide, leaving Susan’s alone. Not only that, but Josh had also listed Susan’s mailing address as the Orchard Park retirement center in Yakima, where they’d lived in 2003 before moving to Utah. Chuck couldn’t figure out why Josh would’ve picked that address. Then he remembered something.

Josh once had keys to facility, he knew the schedule and had kept personal items in the unfinished storage area. Chuck asked the current property managers if he could take a look around and they agreed. Chuck went through the storage area that was framed but not finished. Black plastic sheets covered the dirt floor. Scattered pieces of drywall were nailed to some studs. In a back corner, he came across a piece of soft earth. His imagination started to work. He wondered if Josh might have dismembered Susan, placed the pieces of her body into plastic bags, then buried them beneath what would someday become a concrete floor.

Chuck emailed his thoughts to West Valley police. Ellis Maxwell, in turn, got in touch with the Yakima County Sheriff’s Office. They sent a cadaver dog over to search the Orchard Park storage area, but found nothing out of the ordinary.

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Dave Cawley: In June of 2012, Steve Powell received a sentence of 30 months confinement. He left the Pierce County Jail and headed to prison in Shelton, Washington. No sooner had he arrived, than his glasses broke. He was so desperate to read and write that he fashioned a makeshift monocle out of a clear packet of toothpaste.

Steve started work on a novel, a piece of what he called historical fiction.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 29, 2012 letter to Michael Powell): I have almost 150 hand-written pages so far. … Since it is about Joseph Smith and Mormon history, I have a lot of details at my command, even though I have no reference works.

Dave Cawley: Steve hoarded paper, writing on any free scrap he could collect. He kept Michael and Alina apprised of his progress in frequent letters, like this one dated July 29, 2012.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 29, 2012 letter to Michael Powell): When you have all the time in the world and can’t see much you do a lot of thinking. And that’s why I got going on a novel. So [expletive] them. They treat me like an animal in a cage, and I evolve my other faculties and become super human.

Dave Cawley: A couple of days later, Steve wrote a “personal log” about a visit from FBI Special Agent Sonja Nordstrom and a man from the Department of Defense named Shamus.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from July 31, 2012 journal entry): Shamus said he believes Michael knows something but won’t talk. He made veiled threats related to the funding of Michael’s PhD program. He sort of described Alina as a crackpot with her laughable website and theories. … I am worried they will try to do something to harass my kids more, since I unfortunately allowed them to see that as my hot button.

Dave Cawley: This guy, Shamus, he wasn’t from the department of defense, he was police detective Darrell Dain. Dain later wrote that Steve’d gone into a rage when they touched on the topic of Alina and demanded to be returned to his cell. Shamus also told Steve that Michael might go on a rampage, just like James Holmes. Days earlier, Holmes had carried out a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 people. Prior to the shooting, Holmes had studied neuroscience. Not all that different from Michael work in the field of cognitive science.

In August, Steve moved from Shelton to the Twin Rivers Unit at the Monroe Correctional Complex. 

Like Chuck, Steve started to think about suing over the deaths of his grandsons. He wrote a draft of a wrongful death lawsuit by hand. It sought 20 million dollars for Josh, and 10 million each for Charlie and Braden.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from October 24, 2012 lawsuit complaint draft): The agencies I will file claims against include but are not limited to the following. One, West Valley City, Utah and its police department. Two, Pierce County, Washington and its sheriffs department. Three, Washington State, attorney general’s office and DSHS. Four, Federal Bureau of Investigation. Five, the U.S. Marshals Service.

Dave Cawley: In a letter to Alina, Steve explained he was also appealing his conviction.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from December 16, 2012 letter to Alina Powell): I don’t think the majority of people see this as anything other than a smear campaign against me. It will eventually bite these agencies in the ass, big time.

Dave Cawley: Prison life did have its moments of humor. Steve told Alina he’d become somewhat famous.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 10, 2012 letter to Alina Powell): A whole gang of Mexicans came in a week or two ago… The other day on my way to the yard, I think it was one of these homeys who yelled at me “where’s Sarah Palin?” Apparently he confused her with Susan Powell.

Dave Cawley: Steve granted Alina power of attorney and tasked her with taking care of his home and finances. Alina drew out her father’s savings and maxed her credit card in order to pay the mortgage.

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Dave Cawley: Michael stayed in touch with his dad, but kept his physical distance. He remained in Minneapolis. West Valley detectives hadn’t given up the chase. They used federal subpoenas to get Michael’s financial and phone records. They obtained court permission to monitor his internet traffic. In August of 2012, they found that email exchange he’d had with Apollo Mapping the prior December.

Detective Darrell Dain immediately reached out to Katie Nelson, one of Apollo’s co-owners.

Katie Nelson: He called me and wanted to discuss my interaction with Powell and to see if I could sort of try and figure out exactly what he was looking for, I mean more specific what he was looking for. Uh, be more specific about what he was looking for.

Dave Cawley: Katie has never publicly shared her part in the story.

Katie Nelson: No, you were the first person who’s ever contacted me about it.

Dave Cawley: Really?

Katie Nelson: Yeah.

Dave Cawley: Wow.

Katie Nelson: I know.

Dave Cawley: At the time in 2012, Katie wasn’t too familiar with the Susan Powell case.

Katie Nelson: Yeah, I hadn’t really paid that much attention to the original incident other than hearing about it and thinking “well, that’s terrible.” And that was about it. So I kind of was like jumped into the middle of something without understanding really what was going on and why it was important and sort of what he was trying to accomplish with this imagery.

Dave Cawley: Michael’s request for a satellite image of Pendleton, Oregon the prior December hadn’t struck her as odd.

Katie Nelson: When he contacted me I just thought he was just a normal guy and there was nothing weird about our interaction.

Dave Cawley: But of course, she had no way knowing then just what Pendleton meant to Michael.

Katie Nelson: We get people looking at crop circles. We get totally crazy people looking for aliens or a red ball over Houston. Umm, y’know, we get just all kinds of nutters, but then this one is, is not, not like that but it definitely falls into the category of a strange thing to happen to you.

Dave Cawley: Detective Dain had an idea. He wanted Katie to call Michael back and tell him new imagery had come available.

Katie Nelson: And in this case, I was like “I hope I can help you, I hope I can give you more information and get something out of him” but also going into it knowing that that might not happen. So it’s like a sort of pressure where you know you’re probably going to fail. And it was very cloak and dagger, except Dain was a super nice guy.

Dave Cawley: Darrell traveled to Boulder and met with Katie on September 4, 2012. He rolled tape as she called Michael.

(Sound of phone ringing)

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Hello?

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Hi, is this Michael?

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Yeah.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Hey Michael, this is Katie calling from Apollo Mapping. You had contacted me a couple months ago about some satellite imagery?

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Yeah.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Yeah, and you had wanted to know if there was anything more recent whenever we got something in of your area.

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Oh, ok. Yeah.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Yeah, we just got something a month or two ago from June of the area you were interested in.

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Pendleton, Oregon.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Of Pendleton, of the same area. And I was wondering if you would still be interested in that.

Dave Cawley: Michael hesitated. Katie tried to keep him on the hook.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Umm, do you have like, lat-long coordinates or a shape file or a KML of a, of a specific area you’re interested in, or of a smaller polygon so I can see if it covers what you’re really interested in?

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Umm, I couldn’t give you lat-long but I could give you, how about the name of the establishment? I don’t know if you go that way.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Yeah, I can do that too. Give me one second, get something to write it down on. What is the name of it?

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Should be like Lindell’s. Uh, Lindell’s junk, junk yard, oh, Lindell’s Auto Salvage I bet.

Dave Cawley: Katie told Michael she would look up the coordinates and see if the satellite image covered the Lindell Auto lot.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Ok, alright. Feel free to call me back and I will let you know if that covers this area.

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Ok.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Ok, thank you so much Michael.

Michael Powell (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Thank you.

Katie Nelson (from September 4, 2012 phone call recording): Bye.

Dave Cawley: Darrell told Katie, Lindell Auto is where West Valley police had found Michael’s car, one year before.

Katie Nelson: It felt odd to be a part of something that was rather nefarious and, umm, yeah I was just, it’s just one of those moments where you feel someone’s walked over your grave and you’re like “oh, that’s uncomfortable.” (Laughs)

Dave Cawley: Michael called Katie back the next day and told her he would like to buy the new satellite image.

Katie Nelson: It’s interesting too because I generally try to dissuade people from getting imagery who are looking for something like cars. And he was rather insistent that it was fine, that he knew the limitations of the imagery and being able to identify a car but still wanted the imagery if we had anything.

Dave Cawley: Katie informed Michael the picture she had didn’t show the whole Lindell lot, just a piece.

Katie Nelson: He didn’t care about that. He just wanted anything that we had.

Dave Cawley: She offered to have a satellite tasked to take a new picture, a job that would cost about $2,500.

Katie Nelson: Rather surprising that someone wants to spend that kind of money but in his desperation … you pay a lot for the security of knowing that people don’t know your secret, which I think is what that was worth to him.

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Dave Cawley: Anne Bremner, one of the Cox family’s lawyers, had a lot of work to do during the fall of 2012. She wanted the West Valley police case file. West Valley police refused to hand it over. So, on August 22^nd of 2012, Anne took her case to the city council.

Sandra Yi (from August 22, 2012 KSL TV archive): Bremner says the information would help resolve an ongoing life insurance policy dispute with the Powell family, but the legal advisor for West Valley City Police argued, the investigation isn’t over. He says work was done on the case this week.

Clint Gilmore (from August 22, 2012 KSL TV archive): It’s the position of the West Valley City Police department, any release of these documents would jeopardize the investigation. It’s that black and white for us.

Dave Cawley: The council also refused the request. 

At the same time, Anne and her team were doing the ground work for Chuck Cox’s lawsuit against DSHS. She and the firm she worked with, Frey Buck, were also involved in the ongoing legal action over the life insurance.

Anne Bremner: Josh Powell had taken out 3.5 million dollars in life insurance on Susan and on the boys and then once she went missing, he changed the beneficiary, umm, in it to his brother, Michael.

Dave Cawley: Anne used the life insurance case to her advantage.

Anne Bremner: I went to New York and deposed their agent, from New York Life. And I’m just like “what were you, what were you thinking?” I mean, “what are you, what are you thinking?”

Dave Cawley: Anne also deposed Terri, Alina and Michael.

Christina Atencio (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Yes I do.

Dave Cawley: The federal court compelled him to travel from Minneapolis to Tacoma to face questions on October 20, 2012.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Mr. Powell, are you armed in any way today?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording):No.

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Objection, counsel. Look, there is no basis for this type of questioning. You’re attempting to harass and humiliate and embarrass my client.

Anne Bremner: I had asked for police personnel to accompany us because of some concerns, specific things, information I had about Michael—

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Next question is, would you be willing to be patted down?

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Counsel, that’s enough. That’s enough, really This is silly.

Dave Cawley: The deposition was recorded. That video has never been made public before now. 

They went through Michael’s life, his education, his time in the Army, his relationships with his siblings. He fidgeted a bit with the cable for a lapel microphone as Anne asked him about his phone calls and emails with his brother Josh.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did you ever communicate with, umm, Josh via email?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): A little bit.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And under what circumstances?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Umm, he uh, sometimes we emailed back and forth. Uh, sometimes he was writing court declarations and uh, uh, asked me to proofread them.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Court declarations for what?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Uh, regarding the kids, for example.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Why would he ask you to proof them, do you think?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Uh, ‘cause I’m in a PhD program, I guess.

Dave Cawley: Michael didn’t mention encrypted emails about Susan, which West Valley police had heard Josh and Michael discussing on the wiretap a year earlier.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And any other emails with Josh?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Um, well he sent a couple. I was CC’d on a couple of emails before he died.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And who was he sending emails to where he CC’d you?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): He sent them to Alina.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And what were they about?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Umm, uh, one of them was a, a, uh, one of ‘em was, was a note… (Michael cries)

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): You ok?

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): We can take a break.

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Let’s take a minute.

Dave Cawley: It seemed Josh’s suicide was the only topic that elicited an emotional response.

Anne Bremner: He wasn’t nervous. He wasn’t empathetic with Susan’s family.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Were you on Facebook or have you been at any time?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Um, I have been but I almost never use Facebook.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Is your page still up?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): It is.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And is it under Michael Powell or a different name?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Um, I’m, I’m not sure. I mean, it’s under Michael Powell but I’m not sure, y’know, the middle initial or, or anything like that.

Dave Cawley: That was a lie. During Operation Tsunami, police overheard a phone conversation between Michael and Josh, in which Michael provided his brother with the login and password for a fake Facebook account created under the name Molly Hunt.

Molly’s account came into being on the night of June 6^th of 2010. Her birthday displayed as January 20^th, the same as Josh’s. Molly immediately joined Kiirsi Hellewell’s “Friends and Family of Susan Powell” Facebook group, as well as a closed group titled “Where is Susan Powell?” On the wiretap 14 months later, police heard the brothers talking about using the account to secretly monitor discussions in those groups about the police search in Ely, Nevada.

I recently gained access to the Molly Hunt account. I downloaded activity logs, complete with IP addresses. They revealed that on the day of the Ely search, someone using an IP address in Minneapolis made several failed attempts to log in to Molly’s account, before succeeding and changing the password. That would’ve been Michael. Twenty minutes later, someone using an IP address belonging to the ISP Rainer Connect in Washington State also logged in using the new password. 

Rainer Connect provided internet service to Steve Powell’s home, where Josh was living at the time.

Michael did not disclose any of this.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Where was Josh when Susan disappeared, if you know?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t know.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Where was Josh in the week after disappearance, if you know?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t know.

Dave Cawley: Most of the rest of the logins on the Molly Hunt account traced back to an IP address at the University of Minnesota, where Michael was studying cognitive science. The last activity on Molly’s account came on January 20^th of 2012, exactly two weeks before Josh murdered Charlie and Braden.

Anne Bremner: Michael was so smart that he was very hard to depose because he was ahead of me the whole time and he was very good at not giving me responses.

Dave Cawley: Michael described being at his dad’s house on December 7^th of 2009, when Josh, Susan and the boys first turned up missing, then learning of Josh’s return from a “camping trip.”

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did he ever say he was going to take that trip at midnight, when it was snowing—

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): No.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): —with a 2-year-old and 4-year-old.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): No.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Was your dad around Josh during that time, the weeks before Susan disappeared. Was your dad in Utah?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): No.

Dave Cawley: Michael said he didn’t personally talk to his brother until a few days later.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Josh called me, umm, and he was upset, he was in tears. Umm, he, uh was taking care of two little kids and he said that he just needed help taking care of his kids. And, umm, I uh, got on the road and went down there.

Dave Cawley: He didn’t mention his stop in Pendleton on the way back home until Anne asked just the right question.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did you sell any cars at that time?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Umm, at, at what time again?

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Umm, let’s say within the six months after Susan’s disappearance.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I did sell a vehicle—

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Mmhmm.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): —umm, my car broke down on the way back from Utah and that was the ’97 Ford Taurus.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Mmhmm.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And, umm, so when it broke down, umm, it didn’t seem like we were going to get it back to Washington and, uh, I sold it for a hundred dollars to a salvage lot in Pendleton, Oregon.

Dave Cawley: At that point, it wasn’t public knowledge that police had the car, or that a cadaver dog had indicated on the trunk. Only a couple of weeks after ditching the car, Michael had made that long drive between Puyallup and West Valley with Josh in the U-Haul. They’d had plenty of time to talk.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did you ever talk to Josh about his potential involvement or role in Susan’s disappearance.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I didn’t.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did anyone in your family?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t know, they may have.

Dave Cawley: Michael did not volunteer that he’d debriefed Josh after his interviews with police, as Steve had told the FBI.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Do you think Susan’s dead or alive?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t know.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): You don’t have an opinion?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): (Sighs) No.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): What is your belief about Josh’s role in Susan’s disappearance or death?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t believe that he was involved.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Ok, why not?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): He never gave any indication that he could have been involved. He just didn’t act like it. Umm, in the months following her disappearance, umm, he just act, acted ed like a pretty concerned husband.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did you have any role in Susan’s disappearance?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): No I did not.

Dave Cawley: Here, Michael averted his eyes.

Anne Bremner: His eyes were like black coal. You looked in his eyes and there was nothing there. He had a lot of Josh’s mannerisms. He looked kind of like Josh, but that complete black flat coal eyes. Y’know, I couldn’t even, I couldn’t even look at him.

Dave Cawley: Anne questioned Michael about the 4theKidzz website.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): He asked me to write something about the incident in the—

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Who is he?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): —Cox’s house. Uh, Josh did.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Ok.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And I started an, an essay for him—

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Ok. Did you put—

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): —and I sent it to him and the family was, uh, putting together—

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Oh, I see.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): —a 4thekidzz website.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Do you think somebody, Alina or he posted your essay on the website?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Uh, I believe so.

Dave Cawley: But Michael denied making the specific accusations in that essay. He told Anne that he’d been on the phone with Alina on the day Josh killed himself and the boys., as Alina went over to the burning house.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): She said as she drove up, uh, that the house just wasn’t there anymore and she was mostly hysterical, and she was saying that it looked as if it had been blown up or something. So, I didn’t know if it was maybe natural gas or… (Michael sobs) …uh…

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Do you want to stop, Mike, or get it done?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Let’s get it done.

Dave Cawley: Michael had also spent time on the phone with Jim Vojtech, a producer for the ABC TV program Good Morning America.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): He told me that uh, there were some developments coming out through the media and that they’d found the body of an adult and two smaller bodies. And…

(Pause)

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Did Alina go on Good Morning America and talk about it?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Yes.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And did she say basically that Josh was driven to what he did by the media and the Coxes?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I don’t know.

Dave Cawley: Michael explained he didn’t watch TV or read any news articles. He seemed to doubt Josh had actually murdered the boys.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Do you have reason to believe that somebody else killed those kids?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): No, I don’t know.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And just, do you think that Josh did not kill the kids?

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): It was so out of character with everything that I’d ever known about him that I just spent a long time not believing it.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording):Did you learn the kids had chop marks from hatchets, a hatchet I should say.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording):  I heard rumors.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): And that he said, as they came into the house “I have a surprise for you” before everything else happened.

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Object to the form.

Michael Powell (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): I didn’t hear that.

Dave Cawley: The deposition had started around 8 a.m. Anne asked her final question after 3 p.m.

Anne Bremner (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): So what would you do with the money if you got it?

Thomas West (from October 20, 2012 deposition recording): Object to the form, it’s irrelevant.

Anne Bremner: I’ll withdraw it. I’ll withdraw it.

Dave Cawley: West Valley police obtained a transcript of Michael’s deposition and added it to their case file. I asked Ellis if West Valley police gained anything from it.

Ellis Maxwell: I don’t believe so. I, honestly like, I don’t even remember what he said in his deposition.

Dave Cawley: He said very little.

Ellis Maxwell: And so, but yeah. I don’t, I don’t believe anything they say.

[Scene transition]

Dave Cawley: A bitter wind blew in Minneapolis. 

Michael Powell showed up at the University of Minnesota just before noon. He wasn’t enrolled in any formal classes that semester, just independent study, and had only gone to campus to move some personal stuff out of the V.A. lab where he worked

At about 1 p.m., he pulled his car out of the Church Street Garage and started for home. A dusting of fresh snow sat atop the congealed gray slush lining the streets. He drove west, over the Mississippi River, to 431 South 7^th Street.

Michael’s blue Hyundai Sonata rolled to a stop in a space on the 5^th floor of the parking structure there. He stepped out into the cold, took a drag on a cigarette, then turned to look out over the edge of the concrete wall. When he’d finished the smoke, he tossed the butt on the ground and went inside.

Ellis Maxwell: Here he is, what was he a PhD candidate at the University? So that in of itself is a lot of stress.

Dave Cawley: Just before 2:30, Michael rode the elevator back to the garage. He didn’t go to the 5^th floor. He went to the 7^th. The top level.

Ellis Maxwell: And then, now you put all this on there, on top of that, his brother killing himself and murdering his kids and then having some knowledge of what took place…

Dave Cawley: Again, Michael again lit a cigarette and walked up to the concrete half wall.

Ellis Maxwell:…and now the police are kind of targeting in on him for, y’know, some answers, hoping that he can give us some direction to recover Susan.

Dave Cawley: It was February 11^th oof 2013. The court fight over Josh’s life insurance was not going well. Chuck Cox, Michael had recently learned, had been named conservator of Susan’s estate.

Ellis Maxwell: I think it was just too much.

Dave Cawley: Michael stood for a long while, the sting of the cold breeze on his face. Then, he climbed to the top of that half wall and launched himself, arms wide, into the frigid air.

Ellis Maxwell: I think it was just too much and that’s what led him to, y’know, doing a swan dive there in downtown Minneapolis.

Dave Cawley: Minneapolis police, responding to witness accounts of the suicide, located his driver’s license and an ID card for the Minneapolis VA Medical Center brain science center in his pocket. 

They called in the medical examiner, who entered Michael’s condo, looking for a suicide note. He hadn’t written one.

The ME found Michael’s emergency contact information. He’d listed his mom, Terrica. Notifying Steve proved a bit more difficult. The ME called the Washington Department of Corrections and was passed to the supervisor of the Twin Rivers Unit, where Steve was incarcerated. The supervisor called Steve in and told him what Michael had done while the Minneapolis ME listened on speaker phone.

Steve said “oh my God, oh my God,” but otherwise showed no emotion. The medical examiner asked if Michael had ever dealt depression or addiction. Steve said no. Then, Steve said he’d kept in touch with Michael by phone almost every week. He’d never so much as hinted that he was considering suicide. But, Steve also admitted they hadn’t been candid on the phone because they knew their calls were monitored.

Jennifer learned of Michael’s suicide from her mom. She called Ellis.

Ellis Maxwell: I never thought that he was involved deeply with Josh. I assumed that he would have some information Josh shared with him.

Dave Cawley: West Valley police arrived in Minneapolis two days later. They went to the University of Minnesota, to speak with Michael’s colleagues. None had noticed anything unusual. On February 15, 2012, Ellis, along with detectives Gavin Cook and Darrell Dain, served federal search warrants on Michael’s car and condo. They didn’t find anything all that useful.

Ellis Maxwell: Yeah I was hopeful that maybe, y’know, we’d find a USB drive or something on his computer or even something in writing because Josh wrote a little bit, Steve wrote a lot so, and with Michael being in school I was kind of hoping maybe he’d write too but yeah, nothing was discovered to help us find her or give us any information as to what Josh may have shared with Michael.

Dave Cawley: Over the years, Jennifer has come to believe Michael helped Josh hide Susan’s body after the murder, but…

Dave Cawley: Whatever he knew.

Jennifer Graves: Went to the grave.

Dave Cawley: He took with him.

Jennifer Graves: Mmhmm.

Dave Cawley: Ellis isn’t so sure.

Ellis Maxwell: So hypothetically, Josh dumps Susan’s body somewhere and then goes back, picks it up and decides he’s gonna go to the Pacific Northwest and does an exchange with Michael Powell, his brother, or Steven Powell, his dad. It’s pretty risky.

Dave Cawley: This theory has persisted and I’ll admit, it’s pretty compelling given all we’ve learned about Josh and Michael’s conversations on the wiretap, their encrypted emails and the cadaver dog hitting on the trunk of Michael’s car.

Ellis Maxwell: I know there’s some of my peers out there to believe that that’s a very probable, uh, especially obviously after we located Michael’s car, but uh, I just, I don’t know about that. I have less weight in all of that.

Dave Cawley: If Michael Powell was involved in Susan’s disappearance, he did not bother to unburden his conscience before exiting the stage.

On the next episode of Cold…

Andrew Andersen: Summer was a striper, and she was just using him because he was just paying, just giving money, money, money, money.

Dave Cawley: The Giants were playing the Patriots in Indianapolis. Super Bowl Sunday. February 5^th, 2012.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall was at work. As people across the country tuned in to the pre-game coverage, she drove her gray Toyota Prius into the cul-de-sac at 189^th Street Court East in Graham, Washington. She steered between two pine trees that flanked the driveway outside a small brown house. It was about noon, Pacific Time. Elizabeth parked the car and pulled the key out of the ignition.

She worked for Foster Care Resources, a company contracted by the Washington State Department of Social and Health Services to supervise visitation in child custody situations. She was bringing Charlie and Braden Powell over for their usual, Sunday visit with their dad, Josh Powell.

Josh waited for them. He pulled opened the front door of his rented house and looked at his sons.

“I have a surprise for you,” he said. The giddy boys took off at clip up the short path between the driveway and front door. Elizabeth hurried along after them. Charlie and Braden slipped past their father and into the house. Then, Josh looked straight at Elizabeth, right into her eyes. Without another word, he slammed the door and locked it.

Nothing like that had ever happened before. Elizabeth pounded on the door. Josh didn’t answer. She rang the doorbell. Again, no answer. She shouted, ordering Josh to open the door. She rang the bell, over and over and over again. No response.

Growing frantic, Elizabeth began to beg. “Please, let me in.” Then, she heard something terrible from the back of the house. Sobs. A child, crying. One of the boys. Elizabeth reeled. Her pulse quickened and breathing accelerated. She smelled the unmistakable odor of gasoline. She went back to her car, pulled out her phone and dialed 911. It was 12:08 p.m.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Hey, I’m on a supervised visitation for a court-ordered visit and something really weird has happened. The kids went into the house and the parent, the biological parent whose name is Josh Powell will not let me in the door. What should I do?

Dave Cawley: The dispatcher asked Elizabeth for the address.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): It’s 8119 and I, I think it’s 89^th. Umm, I don’t know what the address is.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Mmkay. That’s pretty important for me to know.

Dave Cawley: While looking, she said “I think I need help right away.”

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He’s on a very short leash with DSHS and CPS has been involved. And this is the craziest thing. He looked right at me and closed the door. Are you there?

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Yes ma’am, I’m just waiting to know where you are.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok. It’s 8119 189^th Street Court East, Puyallup. 88375.

Dave Cawley: What happened next would haunt Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): And I’d like to pull out of the driveway ‘cause I smell gasoline and he won’t let me in.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): You want to pull out of the driveway because you smell gasoline but he won’t let you—

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I smell, he, he won’t let me in.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He won’t let you out of the driveway?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He won’t let me in the house.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Whose house is it?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He’s got the kids in the house and he won’t let me in. It’s a supervised visit.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I understand. Whose house is it?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Josh Powell.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok, so you don’t live there, right?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): No, I don’t, no. I’m contracted to the state to provide supervised visitation.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I see.

Dave Cawley: Elizabeth told the confused dispatcher this was a high-profile case. Josh was the husband of missing woman Susan Powell.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): And their dad’s last name?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Powell. P-O-W-E-L-L.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Two ls? (Pause) Two ls at the end of Powell?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Yes.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): His first name?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): His first name is Josh.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Black, white, Asian, Hispanic, native?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He’s white.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Date of birth?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I don’t know, he’s about 39.

Dave Cawley: She grew more agitated. The dispatcher told her he’d have a deputy swing by.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok, how long will it be?

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I don’t know ma’am. They have to respond to emergency life-threatening situations first. The first available deputy—

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Well this, this could be life-threatening. He went to court on Wednesday and he, he didn’t get his kids back. And this is really, I’m a, I’m afraid for their lives.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok, has he threatened the lives of the children previously?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I have no idea.

David Lovrak (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Alright. We’ll have the first available deputy contact you.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Thank you.

Dave Cawley: The call ended. Elizabeth backed her car out of the driveway and parked on the other side of the cul-de-sac, a safe distance away from the house.

Then it happened. The house ignited. Fire, fueled by gasoline, moved so so fast that it seemed like an explosion. Heat made the windows burst and thick black smoke billowed out. Fresh air rushed in to the house, smothering some parts of the fire while stoking others.

It was 12:16 p.m. Dispatchers started to receive more calls about the blast. Graham Fire and Rescue Station 95 sits less than a quarter-mile away as the crow flew from Josh’s house. It should have taken just moments for a fire truck to arrive. Elizabeth, watching in shock, could hear wail of the siren. It seemed to swirl around her, as if moving in a circle. She kept waiting to see an engine but it didn’t arrive.

Flames climbed high above the trees surrounding the half-acre property.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Hello?

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Hi ma’am. Were you calling about the fire in the 82-hundred block of 180^th Street Court East?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Yes! He exploded the house.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Ma’am do you know the—

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Yes, he exploded the house.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): —ok, do exact address of the house or are you—

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Yes. It’s 8, it’s 8119 189^th Street Court East, Puyallup.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Ok, ok. Stay on the line. Do you know if anyone’s in the house?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Yes, there was a man and two children—

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Ok.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): —I just dropped off the children and he wouldn’t let me in the door.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Ok. Stay on the line for the fire department, ok? I’m going to get them on the line. Do not hang up.

Dave Cawley: The dispatcher connected Elizabeth directly to the fire department.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): I can hear the fire trucks but they’re not here yet. It’s 8119—

Fire department dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): We have an engine there.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): What?

Fire department dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): We have an engine there.

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): And the people are saying there’s not somebody here but I was just there and there is somebody here. There’s two little boys in the house and they’re five and seven and there’s an adult man. He has supervised visitation and he blew up the house and the kids.

Fire department dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): The kids and the husband, and the father were in the house?

Elizabeth Griffin-Hall (from February 5, 2012 dispatch call recording): Yes. Yes. He slammed the door in my face. So I kept knocking. I thought it was a mistake. I thought it was a mistake and then I called 911.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s final, horrible act was no mistake. This is Cold, episode 14: Killing Susan’s Sons. I’m Dave Cawley.

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Dave Cawley: Josh’s little sister Alina awoke that Sunday morning to find an odd email in her inbox. It was a forward from Josh, something to do with his finances. More emails arrived throughout the morning. Josh told Alina, message by message, how to handle his affairs. Then, Alina’s phone beeped. She had a new voicemail.

Josh Powell (from February 5, 2012 voicemail message): This is Josh. I’m calling to say goodbye. I’m not able to live without my sons and I’m not able to go on anymore. I’m sorry to everyone I’ve hurt. Goodbye.

Dave Cawley: Alina called 911.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I think my brother might be in trouble or something.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): What’s going on with your brother?

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): He’s, I don’t know. He’s sending weird emails. He’s saying goodbye and stuff.

Dave Cawley: The dispatcher asked Alina for her brother’s address. Alina said she didn’t know it. The dispatcher asked for her brother’s name. Alina said “Josh Powell.”

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok, was he going to have supervised visit today?

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I, I think so. I mean he was supposed to normally on Sunday.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I mean—

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): And this is the Josh that’s been in the, in the media, right?

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Yeah.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Yeah, the one that’s been being abused by everyone.

Dave Cawley: Alina struggled to keep her composure.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Alina, calm down. I understand that you’re upset but the more you’re getting upset it’s the less helpful for me, ok? I think I have an address for him off of 80^th, umm, I have off of 189^th Street Court East is what I’m seeing.

Dave Cawley: Alina still could not confirm the address. Josh’d only lived there a couple of months. She said she’d never bothered to look at the street signs. And in fact, suspicion persists to this day that Josh’d never actually moved into the house, only staged to make it appear as though he had.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I mean I know this has to have been hard on him. The abuse is extremely difficult for him to take. (Sobs)

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): What, what else, what else did the email, Alina I need you to calm down, ok? What else did the email say?

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Nothing. Just he sent several emails saying stuff about how to, how to handle his property or something, how to cancel utilities. I don’t know. It was different emails.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Mmkay.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): And they started awhile ago. And a first I didn’t, I didn’t even think anything of it ‘cause it was some weird email that came in this morning that I just like dismissed.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): And it didn’t say anything from him. It was just some kind of forward from him.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Ok, no problem.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I just missed it.

Dave Cawley: The dispatcher told Alina a deputy would head to 189^th Street Court East, but it would be helpful if she could confirm Josh’s address.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): The only way to do that would be if I drive over there and I’m, I’m terrified to drive over there.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Well, we’re sending an officer over there so we just need to know where we’re going. We’re not asking you to make any contact with him. We’ll, we’ll have the officer do that.

Alina Powell (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): I’m not afraid of him. He’d never hurt me. I’m afraid of seeing something I don’t want to see. (Crying)

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 911 call recording): Alina, you are not helpful when you’re crying.

Dave Cawley: The first sheriff’s deputies pulled up to the burning house at 12:30 p.m., 22 minutes after Elizabeth Griffin-Hall first dialed 911.

Dispatch (from February 5, 2012 recording): Multiple calls of a house. There are lots of explosions heard. Unknown if it’s occupied. Flames are visible. Ladder 91 sees a huge plume and PD’s aware. Be careful.

Dave Cawley: Chuck Cox was at church, in a meeting in the bishop’s office, when his phone buzzed.

Chuck Cox: So I’m in there and I get this text or something, email or something, from somebody. It said that the, Josh’s blown up the house that they’re in. I’m going “no. Where did you hear this?” “It was on Facebook.” “Ok, good. Facebook, I don’t care what’s, there’s no controls on Facebook. Y’know, who knows what it is?” So uh, I said “ok, well I’m not too worried about that.” And I was started to go back in and it went off again and then I says “well, who’s saying this?” And it was “Associated Press is picking this up.” … From the time I found out about it ’til the media gets it, until they start trying to get in touch with me, I know I’m going to have to answer questions. I know that other people are going to want to know “is it true, is it not?” … Somebody has to find out and actually look and see what’s going on. So, it was me, so I went and did what I needed to do to, to find out.

Dispatch (from February 5, 2012 recording): The CPS worker that deals with this residence, they believe that this fire was intentionally-set. She is at scene. She believes that the dad and two children, ages 5 and 7, are inside the house.

Dave Cawley: Susan’s friend, neighbor and advocate Kiirsi Hellewell first learned of the fire from a reporter.

Kiirsi Hellewell: I’d just barely walked in from church and my phone started ringing and I was like “oh what is it now, what has Josh done now?” So I answered it and it was a reporter asking me if I’d heard that there was an explosion at the home Josh was renting in Graham, Washington. And I said “no, I haven’t heard that. What do you mean an explosion. What do you mean a fire?” “Well, we just heard that Josh had the boys and that he’d picked them up for his, his visit with them and the whole house is up in flames.” And I just said “I can’t talk to you right now” and I hung up and I immediately called Susan’s dad and he was driving to the house when he answered the phone and I said “Chuck, is it true?” And he said “I don’t know, I’m on my way there but I think it is.” And then I just started sobbing. And then I called Debbie and I said “Debbie, I don’t want to be the one to tell you this. I do not want to tell you this. And I told her and she just said ‘no, no, no.’”

Dave Cawley: Debbie Caldwell had been Charlie and Braden’s daycare provider when they’d live in Utah. She had traveled to Washington to visit the boys at the Cox house just a few months earlier.

Chuck Cox: I think I called Debbie. I called, I call, called the other people who would know and want to know and need to know that it was actual and then let them start talking to the media and do all that kind of stuff so I can kind of just recover from it, realize what went on.

Debbie Caldwell: Chuck called me and all I said to him was “Chuck, Chuck, is it true, is it true?” And he said “yes” and I didn’t even say goodbye. I just hung up the phone. I was in such a state of shock.

Kirk Graves (from February 5, 2012 KSL TV archive): We’re in shock. We expected that he cared about his kids. Turns out he didn’t.

Jennifer Stagg (from February 5, 2012 KSL TV archive): That’s Josh Powell’s brother-in-law Kirk Graves’ reaction to the news that Josh had taken the lives of his son and his own life in a home explosion.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s older sister Jennifer had returned home from church when her phone rang. It was Kiirsi. Jennifer could only manage to make out something about an explosion and “the kids.”

Jennifer Graves: So I was like “ok. I’m going to go call Chuck and find out what’s really going on here, so you just hang on and I’m gonna call you back.” And so I went in and found my husband in the other room and, and he was in his office. And I didn’t even talk to the kids, didn’t see the kids, I didn’t want to bring this up in front of the kids. We were in his office and shut the door. We called Chuck. He said that he was on his way to figure it out. He wasn’t sure what was going on, he was going to call us back. And so we were kind of just waiting on pins and needles, waiting for him to call back. And finally, I don’t know how many minutes had past, but probably at least ten minutes before we realized, and before we finally decided we can’t wait any longer. We’re just gonna call. And so Kirk called him again and, and uh Chuck had gotten there and the house was a burned out, charred mess. And it was confirmed that Josh and the boys were in there and that they were dead.

And it was, it was such a, such a weight. Such a horrible, a horrible thing my mind couldn’t even comprehend. And it was kinda like I shut down. I just remember sinking to the floor, thinking “I, I should, I should tell someone. This is really bad and I should tell people that this has happened.” And I sat there and I stared at my phone trying to figure out how to make it work because I couldn’t remember how, how to, how to send messages anymore. And I finally was able to get through that and figure it out and get my mind to, to work a little bit again. And I ended up sending this really, really blunt message to a whole bunch of friends and family. And I feel bad now because it was something to the effect of “Josh has blown up his house with Charlie and Braden in it and they’re all dead.” And I sent that, something like that. And it was, and I know, oh my goodness. I think now, and I think “oh my goodness, if I had read, if I had received that message. Oh, oh how horrible.”

And then I heard from people later, y’know, loved ones and friends, about when they received that text. And, y’know, my cousin was in the middle of church and she received that while she was sitting there in Relief Society and looked at that. And she just, she said she just, she stood up, kind of like me, y’know, what do you, what do you even make of that? She stood up and just stood there, looking at it not sure what to do. And finally, as it came through into her mind she, she finally just left. Went and found her, her husband and, and her children and, and they left. And y’know, just situations like, oh my goodness. It was horrible. It was horrible.

And then we came down and, and, we were upstairs and, and we came down and, because the doorbell rang, and my neighbors across the street had, had heard and they were coming to, y’know, to be here. Just to be here with us. And I walked down the stairs and I remember thinking “oh my goodness my children don’t even know.” And I could, and, and then I had to stop and explain to them that their, their cousins had been murdered in a terrible house explosion. And, and of course after that, I was still in a daze. It was just unreal. And we had other people that came, wonderful friends that just came and, and sat with us and fielded the media. Kirk went out. He talked some with the media a little bit. I could not deal with it. I could not do it. But they were camped all over my, my yard, my front yard, and I couldn’t, I could not go out there.

Even in the midst, even in the midst of it, I, I remember thinking even, even through the pain, somewhere deep down inside, they’re ok. They’re ok because they’re now with their mom and Heavenly Father and Jesus. So that was like a little glimmer, a little glimmer of light through the whole thing that just kept me from completely collapsing.

Firefighter (from February 5, 2012 dispatch recording): Command from Engine 95. Confirm one victim, three feet inside.

Dispatch (from February 5, 2012 dispatch recording): Additional male victim found at the same location as the first.

Dave Cawley: Pierce County Sheriff’s detective Gary Sanders was getting ready for the big game.

Gary Sanders: I was making some chili con queso dip and my pager off, ‘cause I was having a Super Bowl party that day, and, and — back when we had pagers, we don’t have pagers anymore but umm — it said, uh, “call dispatch in regards to Josh Powell.” And I was like “hmm, that’s weird. I wonder what’s going on with that.” So y’know, I called dispatch and was like, “hey y’know it’s Sanders, calling about your page.” And they go “yeah, Josh just just blew up the house and he, and he killed the boys with him. And took the boys with him.” And I was just like “[expletive].” Y’know, it was just, it was from here to the bottom, y’know?

I’d played with the boys. The boy had been in my patrol car playing with the lights and sirens. Umm, I’d gotten to know the Coxes, started thinking about that, y’know, how I feel for the Coxes. And I’m like “oh crap, I wonder if they know.” It just sucked. It was, it was, it was a bad day and I’ll forever remember that day.

Where I live was maybe a mile-and-a-half away, if that, y’know, from where that was. And I drove over there and it was still smoldering and it was just a big, chaotic scene with fire trucks and umm, y’know, looking at the house, the devastation, y’know. The gas that he’d poured and the way he’d done it, he made sure he took care of it.

Dave Cawley: Chuck Cox arrived shortly after Gary.

Chuck Cox: There’s something there. So I had to go over, see for myself was it there or was it not? And I saw it that yes, it was indeed, smoke coming out of it. And then I knew what I, I knew what they would be looking at. I knew what the, the first responders were looking at.

Dave Cawley: Throughout his career with the FAA investigating plane crashes, Chuck had examined his share of fiery disasters. He reacted as many pilots would by falling back on his training and checklists.

Chuck Cox: In emergencies, I go into a really calm, do A, B, C and A’s the most important thing and B and then the C. And then I do this. And I just go into that mode and I do what I need to do. So the first thing I need to do is go find out “is it true?” Number two, I gotta notify the people who are waiting to find out, so I told them. Number three, “what do I do next?” What can I do next? Well, cameras or go home?

Dave Cawley: Sanders told Chuck there was nothing he could do at the house.

Chuck Cox: My wife, she didn’t have a phone, so I don’t know if she knows or not so I gotta go back there because being here’s not gonna do anything.

Dave Cawley: Once the flames were doused, Gary walked through the still-smoking remains of the house.

Gary Sanders: Even, well I mean we were pretty sure because with the 911 call with the social worker, seeing the boys go in, hearing them scream and then the explosion, umm, you knew it but you’ve still got to confirm it.

Dave Cawley: Josh had spread gallons of gasoline throughout the entire house, then ignited it.

Gary Sanders: Going through and seeing the bodies and stuff like that, that was a hard thing too. Y’know, just, y’know, two little boys that were innocent and had no play into that and unfortunately mom had been taken away and so they’d been dealing with that.

Dave Cawley: Those three bodies were all together, in a back bedroom. A blackened metal hatchet sat next to Josh’s body. Gary could see that Josh had used it to bludgeon both of the boys about the back of the neck, knocking them unconscious. Coroners though determined the fire and smoke inhalation actually caused the deaths.

Gary positively identified the bodies as belonging to Josh, Charlie and Braden Powell. Dental records later confirmed his observation.

Gary Sanders: Fire does a lot of damage but I think the explosion kinda put a lot of the fire out too, in some essence, y’know, blew the roof off and stuff like that. And there was some damage but you could tell. Unfortunately, y’know, it’s one of those things that will always be up here, because you can tell.

Firefighter (from February 5, 2012 dispatch recording): We have a confirmed, confirmed third signal.

Dispatcher (from February 5, 2012 dispatch recording): All units at the house, confirmed third signal.

Dave Cawley: Like Gary, Ellis was at home preparing for a Super Bowl party.

Ellis Maxwell: Oh it was horrible. It was horrible. Umm, y’know, I was, I was home and I, and I had guests over to the house and, y’know, doing what a lot of people do that, uh, watch Super Bowl Sunday teams go at it.

Dave Cawley: Ellis missed a call from Gary, then received a message from his lieutenant, telling him something had happened in Washington.

Ellis Maxwell: And I get a phone call from, from Gary and he’s like, he goes “have you heard?” And I said “heard what?” And he goes “sit down.” And I was like, and so I went into my office and I sat down. I said “what’s going on?” And that’s when he told me. He’s like “Josh blew up the house with the kids inside.” I think my first comment to him was “well, what the hell were the kids doing at the house?” Because the kids weren’t supposed to be, uh, having visitation at the house. It was supposed to be in a neutral location, in a, in a, in a kind of like public but governed area. And I think my next thing was “are you, are you serious?” ‘Cause it was kind of like I believed it but I didn’t believe. And uh, y’know, so it was, it was, it was crazy. It was an emotional, uh, a roller coaster of emotions. I was upset, I was mad, I was sad. Umm, and I just literally wanted to just jump in my car and drive straight up there.

Dave Cawley: Ellis’ mind raced.

Ellis Maxwell: Obviously, it was all premeditated and he was ready and he was going to carry it out. Clearly Josh had made up his mind that he was going to carry out some sort of act of violence, whether if it was upon himself or others, so whether or not that could have been prevented, umm, I don’t think anybody could say. Y’know, and it’s possible say if the Coxes had the kids and they were at home and he did some surveillance on ‘em and y’know maybe he blows up their house and so instead of the three of ‘em, now there’s five of them or more.

Dave Cawley: Word spread among the rest of the West Valley City team. They made immediate travel arrangements.

Shara Park (from February 7, 2012 KSL TV archive recording): Police won’t comment about other details that involve Susan’s case, but they are saying they’re going to question Steven Powell about it.

Dave Cawley: Dax and Mindy Guzman were renting Josh and Susan’s other house, the one on Sarah Circle in West Valley, Utah. Like Alina, they’d received strange emails from Josh. Then, they saw video of the fire on the news. In one of the emails, Josh had told Dax to take his old Yamaha Radian motorcycle from the back yard and sell it for scrap.

Dax Guzman: I was so mad at Josh I, I umm, I took my sledge hammer, my, and my saws and I shredded his uh, his bike. Like I, yeah. I completely, completely tore that bike apart, right there in the yard. I, yeah. I was really, really mad and just went at it with my sledge hammer and just cut up the frame. Cut up everything. Umm, yeah, it was, it was just evil. I can’t, can’t think it. I can’t process it. I can’t even, like, complete the process in my mind to do what he did. I played with those boys. I hung out with those boys. I’d… (pause) …y’know, it was getting close. That’s why he did what he did. It was getting close. And, y’know, part of me wishes that, the boys, they were gone, but part of me wishes that he would have survived and just lived in pain the rest of his life. That would’ve been so great. Blind, not, maybe lost his hands, his feet, whatever. Just been a, a nub of a person. That would have been ok with me.

Firefighter (from February 5, 2012 dispatch recording): We can put water through the window but do not go in the structure unless absolutely necessary.

Dave Cawley: JoVanna Owings, the last person besides Josh to have seen Susan alive, learned of the fire from her sons. They were watching Super Bowl pre-game coverage when the TV station broke in with a live report.

JoVanna Owings: We were watching the live report and I saw a house burning and I saw police cars and I saw, I think I saw a woman by her car in front and she was just, she was being talked to by other people. And I said “what?” And my boys said “Josh just blew up his house and killed his boys.” And I just, I could not believe that. That’s stuff that people make up and put in a movie. It wasn’t, it wasn’t real to me that that could possibly happen. But I did find out that it was real, it did happen. And I still, I was in shock for a good couple days just like, “how could that happen? How could somebody do that to their children?” I have a strong mothering nature and I, I could never, ever do that to my children. I could not understand how, how a father could do that to his children either.

Jennifer Stagg (from February 5, 2012 KSL TV archive): This was the first visit Josh’d had with the boys since Wednesday’s custody hearing, in which he learned he would not be getting his sons back.

Dave Cawley: Susan’s neighbors weren’t the only ones blindsided by the news. Her coworkers, Linda Bagley and Amber Hardman, were as well. Here’s Amber.

Amber Hardman: I was at work. Super Bowl Sunday. I remember that. And all the sudden my phone just started blowing up. Like, people messaging me “did you hear the news? I’m so sorry.” I hadn’t yet. And we had TVs on everywhere at work. I mean, it’s just how it is and yeah, it was right there on the TV before I’d even had a chance to talk to anybody. I was just looking at my phone, like “what is going on?” I look up at the TV and there it is. Again, it felt like you were in a movie. It didn’t seem real. It almost solidified that he had to have killed her. Like, if you could kill your children, if you can do that, of course you could kill your spouse.

Dave Cawley: Rod Stephens, who’d helped Josh unload his U-Haul when he moved to Washington in January of 2010, had himself moved to Utah in the time since. He found out about the fire from his dad.

Rod Stephens: My father called me up and said “Josh killed his boys and blew up his house.” And in fact, it was in the morning when I got the call and I was actually quite hurt for the boys. I could’ve cared less about Josh but I felt really bad for those two boys.

Dave Cawley: Rod saw the murder-suicide as something of a confession.

Rod Stephens: Dads don’t do that, right? You would sacrifice yourself long before you’d ever, ever let one of your kids get hurt. But not Josh. So, what kind of place of evil he had to get to to kill his two boys? Clearly, he killed his wife. There’s no doubt about it.

Jennifer Stagg (from February 5, 2012 KSL TV archive): And now they’re hoping they’ll finally learn once and for all what happened to Susan after police are able to release more details about the case.

Kirk Graves (from February 5, 2012 KSL TV archive): My feeling is Josh’s just admitted to guilt.

Dave Cawley: Dark memories, long suppressed, rose from the depths of Catherine Everett’s mind when she learned of Josh’s final act. Catherine, who’d been Josh’s only true girlfriend before he met and married Susan, had followed every twist in the case, ever since first seeing her ex-boyfriend on the news in December of 2009.

Catherine Terry Everett: Y’know, when it first broke it absolutely devastated me, ‘cause I’m just like “this is not happening,” y’know. I’m like, “this is absolutely too coincidental. How could this be going on, how could I know this person?” And just knowing that it was very probable that Susan was gone. That he was absolutely and utterly capable of doing something like that.

Dave Cawley: She couldn’t believe that Josh had married, moved to Utah and lived for years less than hour’s drive away from her house.

Catherine Terry Everett: It took me to a bad place, just y’know, mentally and emotionally and I was just like, it made me think about a lot of things that, umm, happened between the two of us, y’know and just the way he was.

Dave Cawley: Like so many others, Catherine and her husband Dennis learned of the house explosion in Washington when they saw it on the TV that day. Catherine had celebrated her birthday just one day before. She wondered if Josh had intended to mark the date.

Catherine Terry Everett: I have to be careful when I talk about it and when I think about it because right after he’d killed himself I had some really, really disturbing dreams where he was there but it was like he was, he wasn’t alive. He was obviously dead. And I’m like “I have to be careful about what I let in, y’know, to myself.” And I said, y’know, “I don’t like to talk about it a whole lot.” And I’m sure in some twisted way he thought that he was going to be reunited with Susan and everything was going to be good and great and I’m like “that’s not the way it works. Those kids are going to go to their mom and you’re not going to be able to touch them again.”

Dave Cawley: Forensic psychologist James Manley, who’d recommended Josh undergo a psychosexual evaluation with another provider, was at work on a different report that day.

James Manley: I was working on a report and the colleague that I referred to, Josh to for the psychosexual texted me or something and says “look at CNN right now.” So I did, and it was a helicopter shot of the smoldering home.

Dave Cawley: James was not was so emotionally invested as Susan’s friends or family. He hadn’t spent the same amount of time with the case as the police who’d been nipping at Josh’s heels for the prior two years. But at the same time, he was closer to what’d happened than almost anyone. He had visited that house.

James Manley: The intense violence that Josh had with his sons, talking to forensics, talking to the policemen, talking to the fire chief, talking to the social worker, or rather the agency supervisor that brought the children to the house that I’d just, y’know, a week or so before cleared along with the social worker, uh, was fairly intense. I would say approaching trauma but it really wasn’t, it wasn’t that close to me. But uh, of course you backtrack, uh, and wonder “did I miss something?”

Shara Park (from February 9, 2012 KSL TV archive): The dispatch agency says the calls from the social worker are now under review. Jodi Maier is a communications supervisor at the dispatch center. She says 911 is often misunderstood. She and her agency is asking for time and understanding as the case is looked at.

Dave Cawley: Attorney Anne Bremner hadn’t heard much from her clients Chuck and Judy Cox in weeks.

Anne Bremner: I didn’t hear anything from them when they had those kids. It was the first time that they were like, ok. They were just great. And so it was, oh, just a heartbreaker, y’know, for them.

Dave Cawley: Anne learned of the fire from a reporter.

Anne Bremner: My phone rang and it was, it was a reporter from Utah and said “did you hear?” And I said “hear, hear what?” And he said “there was an explosion at Josh’s house and they think that three are dead.” And I was thinking natural gas explosion because he said there’s been an explosion. And then I can’t remember if I called Chuck or Chuck called me. I think Chuck called me and I said something, “is it, is it true?” And I think he said he was right outside the house. I will will never forget this part. He said “they’re all gone.” He goes “Anne, we told them so.” And I was just like “oh my God.” I mean, I was just, I, I’ve never felt that sick before about something. I sat in my car for a long time.

Jennifer Stagg (from February 5, KSL TV archive): Bremner says the Cox family doesn’t know what’s next. They’re hoping the West Valley City police release what information they have about the case now that their only person of interest is dead.

Dave Cawley: Pierce County Sheriff’s detective Gary Sanders left the house that afternoon.

Gary Sanders: After doing some initial stuff, I went over to Josh’s, or Steve’s house and spoke with Alina and, y’know, tried to see what she said. And she played the voicemail that he’d left people and stuff. Just unfortunate, y’know, in so many ways.

Dave Cawley: He had another, very difficult visit to make.

Gary Sanders: Went and spoke with Chuck and Judy that day. Y’know, not a, it just sucks in the element of, here he took his daughter and now he took the only two, y’know, parts of his daughter that he had, y’know, taking, taking them the way he did. And then hearing the way that he did it, coward that he was, just infuriates you.

Chuck Cox: Gary and his companion came over to tell me “yes, there was a hatchet involved” and, and then confirm officially, but that was hours later and I’d already been there. It got worse as more and more stuff came out about what really had happened to the boys on that day. Having had Braden in my arms before and seeing a fear in Braden’s eyes and uh, just actually more like a terror. Because he just was living some kind of a horrible thing out in his mind and you couldn’t do anything for him. And I could just see, imagine him seeing Charlie get hit with a hatchet and then dad coming after him. And just, could imagine the terror that was in his eyes when that stuff happened. (Pause) And that made it harder for me. But a father who claims he loves his children and could do that to them… (pause) …and a family that still backs him up, after all that. Still.

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Dave Cawley: Ellis and the West Valley team arrived in Washington the day after the fire, on Monday, February 6.

Ellis Maxwell: It was hard. It was, it was super difficult. Let alone I hate the smell of a fire after it’s been put out by the fire department.

Dave Cawley: Pierce County had put up a chain-link fence around the lot. Ellis could see the roof was gone, along with a third of the exterior walls. Almost all of the interior walls were gone, too. Only the skeleton of the wooden frame remained. The beams were gnarled and blackened. It’d been hot inside the house, so hot a wire birdcage had turned goo. It looked like a piece of modern art.

The remains of Josh’s minivan sat in what’d been the garage. The fire had burned the paint right off of it. The tires had burst, then burned to nothing. The window glass had shattered. Everything plastic had melted, including the headlights, tail lights and door handles. The seats were just metal frames and springs, no upholstery.

A few items had survived. The investigators found a couple of scorched cell phones, three badly burned hard drives, a camcorder, a flash drive and some other computer stuff. They also recovered a pile of Josh’s old journals and personal papers. Those included postcards from three tourist attractions in Idaho: Shoshone Falls on the Snake River, the Shoshone Ice Caves and Old Mission State Park outside of Coeur d’Alene.

Ellis Maxwell: Here you are going through this home and looking for anything that is, that can be saved and you could potentially maybe get some answers from, all while in the back of your mind your primary target, the person responsible for Susan, is now gone. And not only did he take himself but he took his kids, too.

Dave Cawley: If Josh had written any sort of confession letter, it burned with the rest of the house.

Ellis Maxwell: Y’know, you’ve got that playing in the back of your mind and then you’re thinking “oh gosh, y’know, who would’ve thought that he would’ve took his kids out and, and murdered them?” And so then you start second-guessing yourself and reflecting back on the years and going “is there something we could’ve done differently to prevent this and, and for it not to go to, y’know, to this extent?” And so it was, it was challenging. And, y’know, it was something that uh, y’know me personally, I had to work through for, for quite some time. And uh, kinda reflect back and y’know, reflect on that day and the future of the case and, y’know, where’s Susan? I mean, it’s a lot.

Dave Cawley: Ellis called Josh’s brother Michael on Tuesday, two days after the fire. Michael didn’t answer. Ellis knew Michael was living in Minneapolis, pursuing a PhD at the University of Minnesota. He called campus police and asked if they could track Michael down. They did and confirmed Mike had no intention of talking to Ellis.

That afternoon, police went to search Josh’s storage unit in Sumner. They tested several items for blood. One indicated for the possible presence of blood. It was a comforter from a bed. The detectives took it.

On Wednesday, three days after the fire, a pair of investigators went to the Pierce County Jail to talk to Steve. FBI Special Agent Jeff Ross showed Steve photos of the bodies. Steve wouldn’t talk.

Ellis Maxwell: Nah, it didn’t phase him.

Dave Cawley: He described that visit in a letter months later.

Ken Fall (as Steve Powell from August 1, 2012 letter): They continuously dangled pictures of three charred bodies, to try to convince me that Josh was evil. And they tried to get me to talk about Josh. They repeated over and over “you know Josh killed Susan” for three hours.

Dave Cawley: Steve told the FBI the only way he’d share his story would be in a book. As Steve was facing off with the FBI, West Valley police were at the Land Recovery Recycling Center in Puyallup. They started sifting through the huge pile of trash from the previous week, looking for the stuff Josh had dumped the day before the fire.

Pierce County called in volunteers to help. It took them several days, but the volunteers did manage to pull out several interesting items. Those included an issue of a church magazine called The Ensign from 1994, several books which Susan had owned as a kid, a road map of Utah with hand-written pen marks around popular tourist attractions and a Portuguese-language Book of Mormon with Josh’s name embossed on the cover.

Josh had at some point marked just four verses in that book of scripture with a red pencil. One of them was Mosiah, chapter 26, verse 30. In English, that verse reads:

Eric Openshaw (as Josh Powell from Book of Mormon markings): Yea, and as often as my people repent will I forgive them their trespasses against me.

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Dave Cawley: In the days following the fire, a makeshift shrine to Charlie and Braden popped up along the fence around the burned-out house. Tammy Forman, who’d taught Charlie in kindergarten, said another went up outside of Carson Elementary.

Tammy Forman: And then my kids knew about Charlie. And so my own children were very devastated. My daughter was obsessed with keeping those candles going. So every night she wanted me to drive her over to, to the school so she could make sure all the candles were lit and that was really important to her. And if she couldn’t go, she’d ask her friends to go. And then she and her friends would go and straighten out all the purple ribbons on the trees that people had put up in remembrance of Susan. Yeah, so I know that it was hard on my kids as well.

I felt really numb, so it’s hard to describe. It was like it, it wasn’t, it wasn’t real, like watching a movie about someone else, I guess. I felt very disconnected when I first heard about it. That day also is, I don’t remember it that well, I was just kind of a mess. And the fact that it was so brutal is a lot harder. Like, I’d like, even if he had just blown up the house, that would be better than thinking these boys went into a house, to a dad that they trusted, and that he chopped them up. I, I can’t imagine. I can’t imagine. And almost everyone that I know has some connection to that day. They saw the flames or they know people that were involved. And it really devastated the whole community.

Dave Cawley: Tammy felt angry. She couldn’t understand why Josh had been allowed to have visitation at his house.

Tammy Forman: For a long time after the explosion I would think I saw Josh. It was the weirdest thing. He might have a, like a common look to him or something, but all the time I would do a double take because I’d think I saw him at the gas station or a store or somewhere. And it, it took a long time for me to stop having that experience. I, I don’t know why. And it wasn’t, I didn’t think that I saw Charlie or Braden I would just think I saw Josh frequently.

Dave Cawley: Nancy, from the Puyallup Gem and Mineral Club, found solace from her grief among friends.

Nancy: One good thing was the club. We would have our regular meetings and so it was discussion. It was discussion, the major discussion: should we contact the Cox family? Should we bother them with our feelings? We’re just this little rock club. Who cares about us, really? But another club member said, y’know, “those boys were here. They were club members. And they sat on our laps and they spilled stuff and they ran and they fell down and they got up and they made us laugh and they were club members.”

There was a stone that the boys were interested in and that’s kind of a whole other story but Josh had taken the boys to a club member’s house who had a shop in his house and he wanted to cut a stone for the boys and polish it and give it to ‘em, because he was drawn to the boys as well. He was a older man so they’d be like grandkids to him. So he took, they went to his house, they picked out a stone, and he sliced it and he polished it and he was going to give it to them and it never happened because they died. They were gone.

So, with that, we still had this stone. So our club decided to put a plaque on it and get it to Chuck and Judy. So, I’ll take credit for what it says on it because I’m the one who decided that it was say this. And what I, I took it to a trophy shop and had a plaque put on it that said “Charlie and Braden: Forever in the arms of an angel.” They mounted it on the stone and then we got a hold of Chuck and Judy. And we went to their house, Chuck wasn’t there but we got to have a long discussion with Judy. And it was eye opening, the young couple that she watched pretty much dissolve and turn into what it was. But it was profound. It was profound and touching.

Shara Park (from February 7, 2012 KSL TV archive): And while police try to find answers, Chuck says he’s busy planning a funeral. He says it will be a public one. And Chuck says he’s grateful for the community support and hopes those mourning the loss of his two grandchildren will remember how truly innocent and wonderful they were.

Dave Cawley: Chuck and Judy arranged to inter Charlie and Braden at Puyallup’s Woodbine Cemetery. Susan’s disappearance had been the stuff of network and cable TV for more than two years by that point. Josh’s murder-suicide made national news. The Coxes knew the boys’ funeral was going to draw a lot of attention. So they planned two services, one for the public and one for the family, scheduling both for Saturday, February 11th.

The first took place at the Life Center Church in Tacoma. The church provided a live video feed. Tammy Forman, Charlie’s kindergarten teacher, accepted an invitation to speak.

Tammy Forman: I was really surprised because when I got there, I was immediately taken into where the family was. And that was really awkward because there were people on both sides of the family there. And people who didn’t want to talk to each other. So it was a really uncomfortable situation. But, on the other hand, I really appreciated being treated like family and having them just bring me right in.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s mom, Terri, and sister Alina, sat in a separate section of the auditorium, segregated from the rest of the crowd. Josh’s brother Michael didn’t show up, having stayed in Minneapolis. During the service, Pastor Dean Curry praised both families for setting an example.

Dean Curry (from February 11, 2012 KSL.com archive): These two families who’ve had so much, who’ve had so much pain have come together, have set aside very dark and hurtful moments to celebrate children.

Dave Cawley: Tammy told the crowd Charlie had been a “little scientist” who always had a smile on his face when he knew he was being clever.

Tammy Forman (from February 11, 2012 KSL.com archive): He was an amazing young man. He had an appreciation for nature that I have never seen in someone so young. He loved rocks, sticks, leaves and bugs. He collected these items at recess and always had a hard time parting with them when it was time to return to class. He often left them by the outside door so he could play with them later. On many occasions he tried to sneak a worm or caterpillar into the class. He was a good sport whenever I caught him and he would make sure the bug was safe and sound before joining the class. … He loved learning facts. He called non-fiction books “real books” and  he had an amazing ability to remember what he learned.

Dave Cawley: Kristie King from the Mel Korum Family YMCA pre-K program called Braden a “tickle monster,” a budding puzzle master and a “vehicle boy” who loved cars, trucks and trains.

Kristie King (from February 11, 2012 KSL.com archive): It was obvious that Braden loved his grandparents. At the end of each preschool day, he would look out the window to wait for his grandma to pick him up, telling everyone how much fun he had with them and how much he loved them. He just leapt into her waiting arms. He had a heart of gold, always wanting to show affection. Braden liked to hold his teacher’s hand and not let go. He was cuddly with his grandparents, aunts and cousins. Teachers, classmates and even first-time visitors to the house were showered with Braden’s hugs and “I love yous.” And always there was that big, beautiful smile on a face so like his mother’s.

Dave Cawley: Pastor Tim Atkins, who had counseled Josh in the child custody case, spoke. So did Tim Sloan, a long-time friend to the Cox family.

Tim Sloan (from February 11, 2012 KSL.com archive): We must press forward. We have to learn from this experience and strive to become better fathers and mothers. To have more patience and love and kindness. To withhold our anger. To be gracious to others as the Savior is gracious to us. And long-suffering with us.

Dave Cawley: At the conclusion of the service, Chuck and Judy Cox stepped to the microphone. Tears fell from Judy’s eyes as her husband addressed the crowd in a soft voice.

Chuck Cox (from February 11, 2012 KSL.com archive): All their teachers, their social workers, the police, everyone was doing everything they possibly could to keep them safe and to help them and love them. And we thank you for your support. We know that they’re with their mother. Thank you very much.

Dave Cawley: Then, the family followed the single light-blue casket to a hearse, which took the boys to the South Hill Ward of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There, the Coxes held their second, private ceremony for family members and close friends.

Shara Park (from February 7, 2012 KSL TV archive): Sitting in Charlie and Braden’s room, Chuck Cox finds strength in knowing where his two grandsons are now.

Chuck Cox (from February 7, 2012 KSL TV archive): We believe that, that she’s safe in our Heavenly Father’s arms and, and the children are there with her. There’s been a reunion.

Dave Cawley: Terri and Alina Powell had inquired with the Woodbine Cemetery about having Josh buried next to the boys. That had caused an uproar in the days prior to the funeral. Pierce County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Ed Troyer was not about to let that happen.

Gary Sanders: He and our sheriff did a, a big push for that and made sure that didn’t happen, along with Crimestoppers. Umm, yeah that was, that was a big thing. We were not going to let him be buried next to his boys after he killed their mother, so—

Dave Cawley: And them.

Gary Sanders: Yeah, yes. Exactly.

Dave Cawley: The family laid Charlie and Braden to rest at the Woodbine Cemetery on Monday, February 13^th. A single headstone marked the grave. At the top, it showed a picture of Susan and her boys together, smiling. The words “United In Heaven” were engraved at bottom, just below Susan’s name and the words “Missing Dec. 6, 2009.”

Gary Sanders: Ultimately it would be nice someday to find Susan so we can bury her next to ‘em and, and they can be together, but we know now that they are together.

Dave Cawley: Josh’s name did not appear anywhere on the stone.

This is not the end of our story. The search for Susan will continue in episode 15. But this feels like an appropriate moment to express my sincere gratitude to all of the people who’ve shared their memories of Susan, Charlie and Braden. They were loved. They are still loved and they will not be forgotten.